Fairy Circles: When Perfect Rings Appear in Nature - Are They Magic or Science?
What if you stumbled upon a perfect circle of mushrooms in the forest at midnight—would you dare step inside? Shane, Josh, and Kim dive into one of nature's most mysterious phenomena: fairy circles. From ancient folklore warning of fairies, witches, and dancing with death, to modern scientists spending millions trying to explain perfect patterns in deserts and forests, this mystery proves that sometimes the line between magic and science is thinner than you'd think.
The Folklore That Kept People Away
For centuries, Europeans knew one rule about fairy circles: don't step inside. These mysterious rings of mushrooms that appear overnight in forests and meadows were believed to be portals to the fairy realm, places where supernatural beings danced under moonlight. The warnings were terrifyingly specific—enter a fairy circle and you'd be forced to dance until you died of exhaustion. In Wales, they called them cylch y Tylwyth Teg (fairy rings), and stories persisted into the 20th century of people who joined the fairy dance and emerged days later with no memory of the experience. French folklore called them ronds de sorcières (witches' circles), guarded by giant toads that would curse anyone who violated the sacred space. German tradition linked them to Hexenringe (witches' rings), marking spots where witches danced on Walpurgis Night. Austrian legends blamed dragons—their fiery tails burning perfect circles into the ground where nothing but toadstools could grow for seven years.
But here's what makes the folklore fascinating: some of it was actually correct. Welsh tradition held that sheep eating grass from fairy rings would flourish, and crops planted around them proved more bountiful. Science confirms this—the vegetation in fairy ring "abundance zones" contains elevated nitrogen levels, making it genuinely more nutritious. The folklore worked, even if the explanation was supernatural rather than scientific.
The Science: It's Fungus Engineering Ecosystems
So what's really happening? Fairy circles—also called fairy rings, elf circles, or pixie rings—are created when a single fungal spore lands in favorable soil and begins growing. The fungus sends out an underground network of threadlike structures called mycelium, radiating outward in all directions. As the mycelium expands, it depletes nutrients from the center, causing that section to die while the edges keep growing. The result? Mushrooms sprout in a near-perfect circle at the perimeter, marking the edge of the living mycelium below.
About 60 mushroom species can create these patterns. The best known is Marasmius oreades, the edible fairy ring champignon (Scotch bonnet). One of the largest and oldest fairy rings ever documented is near Belfort in northeastern France—formed by Infundibulicybe geotropa, this ring has a radius of approximately 300 meters (980 feet) and is estimated to be over 700 years old. For seven centuries, this underground fungus has been slowly, patiently expanding outward, transforming soil and engineering its ecosystem through plagues, wars, and revolutions.
But Wait—There's Another Kind in Africa
Just when you think you understand fairy circles, nature throws a curveball. In the Namib Desert of southern Africa, completely different fairy circles appear in the sparse grassland—circular patches of bare sand surrounded by rings of taller grass, ranging from 2 to 15 meters in diameter. The indigenous Himba people have their own explanation: these are the footprints of Mukuru, their original ancestor and god, or places where spirits dance.
Scientists have been debating the cause of these Namibian fairy circles for over 50 years, and the controversy is fierce. Two main theories dominate:
The Termite Theory: Biologist Norbert Jürgens from the University of Hamburg spent decades researching and concluded that sand termites (Psammotermes allocerus) create these circles as sustainable desert farms. By eating grass roots in circular patterns, the termites create bare patches that act as water reservoirs after rare rainfall. Jürgens found sand termites in 80-100% of circles examined and published extensively on how termites engineer these ecosystems for survival. His research showed soil beneath fairy circles retained significantly more moisture than surrounding areas.
The Self-Organization Theory: Biologist Stephan Getzin from the University of Göttingen argues the circles result from plants organizing themselves to maximize limited water resources—a natural pattern formation explained by mathematician Alan Turing's 1952 theory. When resources are scarce, plants compete intensely, creating regular spacing patterns. Getzin's team installed soil moisture sensors and tracked grass growth cycles, finding that grasses in circles died during the wet phase before soil water was depleted—suggesting plant competition, not termite damage, caused the bare patches. When Australian fairy circles were discovered in 2016, Getzin's team found similar patterns but couldn't confirm ubiquitous termite presence, strengthening the self-organization hypothesis.
The Million-Dollar Debate
Here's what makes this controversy fascinating: both scientists published their findings in prestigious journals with compelling evidence—yet they reached opposite conclusions based on the same phenomenon. Jürgens emphasizes the physics of soil moisture and the consistent presence of sand termites. Getzin emphasizes mathematical pattern formation and ecosystem self-organization following Turing principles. Both theories have supporting evidence. Both have detractors pointing out flaws.
Shane notes the absurdity: PhD scientists spent millions of dollars and wrote 300+ page books defending opposite theories about circles in the sand. Walter Tschinkel, a biologist from Florida State University who also studied the circles, cautioned that correlation doesn't equal causation—just because termites are found in fairy circles doesn't prove they create them. Some researchers now suggest both mechanisms might work together: termites create initial disturbance, then plants self-organize around the patterns.
Why This Mystery Matters
Whether you call them fairy rings or fungal architecture, whether you call them footprints of gods or Turing patterns, these circles remain one of nature's most elegant demonstrations that reality can be as magical as any myth. The circles are still there—growing, dancing, appearing and disappearing across centuries—challenging us to explain them. Medieval peasants who saw mushroom rings glowing in moonlight and ran home terrified weren't stupid. They were responding rationally to genuinely mysterious phenomena. The difference now is we have tools to investigate: genome sequencing, soil moisture sensors, satellite imagery, mathematical models.
But some mysteries resist easy answers. Some debates take decades to settle. Some phenomena are so complex that even PhDs with millions in funding can look at the same evidence and reach opposite conclusions. And maybe that's wonderful. Because in the end, whether supernatural or scientific, fairy circles remind us that the natural world still holds secrets worth protecting and puzzles worth solving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The cool thing about this sighting is that anyone can watch these webcam feeds themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that's the neighborhood we would always take my gods on trick or treating and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every pumpkin you'd see would, especially the jack-a-lanterns where they could get too easier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd see little squirrel teeth marks all over it, and then you'd see drunk squirrels, and you know they're drunk, because they'd like see and take off random, but not be able to run in a strictly, you know, they're wobbling or they'd go to climate tree, and they jump on the tree, and then forget how to squirrel and just kind of like fall back off of his throat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Emily, of course, where she lives, they have a fenced-in backyard that's privacy fence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you almost every day that I go there to work, I'll see two or three of them walk across the top of that fence and it just drives their dog absolutely bonkers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is so funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're definitely teasing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruby's looking so squirrels hate me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a one of those brick bird feeders The squirrels work it into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I Try to figure out a way to not even like put one of those bungee cords on it Which was hilarious because I can see it from my bedroom window and I'd see a squirrel like Try to climb down on it get on the feeder but then start bunging and then they just take off line
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I finally, you know, have made it squirrel proof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not only the birds, but I got a big old woodpecker that's been coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't love woodpecker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We recently had the chili cook-off in town and...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kim didn't join me this year, but I tasted a bunch of chili and I think we'll always surprise us, me, is some people make crappy chili.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I just don't go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I made my own chili that I know would be good and offer myself without a port of potty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So people, I feel like they just try to like, I don't know, try new things and never.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't just serve up new things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's new things are for your own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, try it home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're wanting to win a competition, stick with the basics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're bringing something to, especially a holiday dinner, do not test out a new recipe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you stick with, if I ask you to bring mac and cheese, it's the mac and cheese you make and have always made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-uh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are second again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got second again, Judy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me tell you a little thing that pisses me on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of the people who always beat us, I mean, they always beat us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a restaurant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that one downtown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not downtown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called wings, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They should be allowed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A corporate like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not like a local.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the reason they beat us every year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for your wings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you serious?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you give them your tickets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get three wings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go wing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they make right there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really quick off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not chilling wing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're all just exchange.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they get they win every year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what's funny is like there's two judges things to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One.
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[SPEAKER_01]: people who are attending or eating your children, they like it, they give you the tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got second, we've gotten second for several years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the second judging is blind tasting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they have never gotten in the top 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chili.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like pre-made chili.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are always in the top 10, the taste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On my chili recipe involves chemistry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And brown on the food network channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a nice day too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're called for rain, but thankfully that rain did not come.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was perfect weather for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it held off until after was over, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really missed it because I do love the chili that, you know, that we make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I may really need that recipe to make it very peculiar with my chili.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like my meat very fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like chunks of beef and I like get it towards little tiny pieces.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like multiple varieties of beans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it bean heavy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like not too many, but you know, I don't like it when you can hardly find a bean in your taste.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like meat soup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to add sugar because that's what grandma always did to take out the acidity of tomatoes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Alt and Brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not add sugar anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you add a cup of coffee to your chili, it gives it a richer, bolder flavor but the acid from the coffee, he races the acid from the tomato so you also don't get heartburn like I normally do with chili because you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: without the interesting sugar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always like grandma's chili, but sometimes it would be too much sugar where it has a sweetness to it and I don't like my chili to not be sweet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to be a little more cumin flavor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you team pasta?
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[SPEAKER_02]: or no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you don't like, you know, like, you know, the podcast against overdone and then it's mushy, like, you know, for our D, which I can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It depends on what kind of noodles you use, whether it, no, over time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
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[UNKNOWN]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've only had it with macaroni noodles and they always, well, and they suck up all the moisture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, chili's always better left over a day or two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by that, like day two, there's no like it's just like a thick roast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, pasta does not go in chili.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's chili mac.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: completely different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even actually cook off either of the judge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, this is a chili cook off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You made chili mac.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're eliminated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, belong here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you want to go online, chili.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they don't put those, they put like spaghetti, just spaghetti noodles and that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Skyline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had it once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes like a minimum asshole and it's a meat sauce type of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's it's like what I would think would go on a coney doll.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure like just meat and tomato like no like good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like soupy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like saucy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can do pasta in it, and I can not do pasta, and it doesn't make any difference to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And only we call it burglaroni as well we call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that on like pancakes and I don't like peanut butter and jelly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never had goo lost that was flavorful or tasted good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been like watery like no spices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just look at Ruby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it feels like the test.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just bored.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I won't put things now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I made Goulash, I might eat it because I would actually use like spices and you know, make it like authentic Goulash, not hung lobby like we grew up, but like I used to hate him and beans and I still don't actively eat it, but I'll eat it if I make it because
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[SPEAKER_00]: when other people we grew up with would make it, it would be laborless, you have to like down the salt and it always put a lot of pit salt and pepper in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I put a packet of the beefy French onion soup mix in my ham and beans when I make it and it actually gives it flavor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh my god, I made it for an old hillbilly man one time and he said it was the best ham and beans he ever had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So since seasoning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like him in beans and I'll normally eat it when people make it but there was one time I was at some people's house, some friends, and they made him in beans and I opened up the containers like a pitch and I opened up the container of him in beans and they had just put like a big ham that had a bone in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you traditionally, and then you just pick the meat off the, but grandma, you know, she we grew up like a, you pick all the nasty off stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't eat nothing that has, oh my god, one of the chillies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's spicy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, oh yeah, there was some spice to chill it, but there were the chilies had that real fatty meat in it Brisk it brisk it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had made a brisket and put it in the chili And I didn't know it and I like you just get these old cup things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I put my mouth on that chunk of food Oh my god, what the crap is this fat in it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard someone say brisket chili and I'm like, oh
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[SPEAKER_00]: my tongue like immediately feels the texture difference if there's a piece of fat in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even like my tooth as soon as it touches my teeth, it's like, is that me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the hell this is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ran more to a spoiled on that, but she says, to gelatinous, gelatinous is not a texture I go for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the texture with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And brisket, you know, I loved watching barbecue shows on the food never I love I still do, but I'm an idea of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talk about brisket and first time I had it was a brisket saying which had a barbecue place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, I can't wait to finally try brisket because, you know, we did not grow up in a brisket household.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even ribs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only ribs we have are the country pork ribs like, you know, you just bake them for hours and barbecue sauce until they fall off the bones, but they're very fatty ribs, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the beef rack ribs that don't have very much fat on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first time I had brisket, I was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's like half that like note and it's on a sandwich and covered and that's why I don't eat pulled pork either because I will if I make it where I'm cutting only the meat off the pork and then shredding it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But most people, they just shred the whole thing that veins, arteries, anything that's all and then they put enough sauce on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't tell and I need that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just get the sausage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I go to barbecue place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all set the salsa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, even chicken breasts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, you do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never notice that you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite is the jalapenos burnt ends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are overcooked like how we like our meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not roasted by any means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, they're burned ends of like the barbecue smoke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's just their thin little pieces covered in sauce and sometimes they'll be a little fat on it but you can always tell but it's just, you know, little chunks of overly cooked barbecue meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a texture we like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually what I get anymore as burned in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to go to Jefferson's stream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that barbecue place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's more old town nearby.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that one, we went home first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's my favorite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it was like two years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My birthday I went because there's a little shot next to it and about a dolly heart of prayer candle and that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We went with Andy and Shelley and somebody else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to get barbecue to go though because that's my barbecue like smoke barbecue especially it's probably my favorite food and I hate eating it around people in the restaurant because it's such a messy food and I like it's almost sexual how much I like it or like when I get
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like to eat it in the car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On that note.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, honey, did my fake orgasm bother you Ruby?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, poor little man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My mystery for the day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You want me to do it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, huh, for an, back my God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what my whistle, I'm trying to get this baby blanket done before Emily's shower and I just don't think it's going to get done, but I'm trying really hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, when God's leaf footprints, the mystery of fairy circles and fairy rings, I don't know about these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's midnight and medieval England.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're walking home across the village common.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you see it, a perfect circle of mushrooms glowing pale in the moonlight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your heart drops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every person in your village knows what this is, a fairy ring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not step inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not touch the mushrooms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you do, you'll be forced to dance with the fairies until you drop dead from exhaustion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you'll dance for what feels like minutes, only to discover later that years have passed in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you give the ring a wide birth in her ear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, fast forward to the 1970s Namibia, you're a hymba, hymba, hymbo, you guys don't know the word hymbo, do you, big muscle dumb guy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite type of man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a hymba herder driving cattle across the grassland, the landscape stretches before you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gold and grass dotted with thousands of circular
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[SPEAKER_00]: each one ringed by impossibly lush grass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your ancestors called this place, the land gone made in anger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These circles, the footprints of the gods, fast forward again to this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Modern scientists with PhDs and millions of dollars in research
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[SPEAKER_00]: After 50 years of intensive research, the mystery and jurors were actually talking about two completely different phenomena, one in African deserts, one in metas worldwide, caused by totally different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for centuries, separated by oceans and continents, humans
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[SPEAKER_00]: supernatural forces made these science has made remarkable progress explaining these mysteries, but some secrets are still locked in the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Namibian fairy circles are bare patches of earth, 2 to 12 meters across, dotting the grasslands of southwestern Africa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're spaced with eerie regularity, forming hexagonal patterns like honeycomb cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The grass surrounding each circle grows taller and more robust than anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The circle stretch for 2,000 kilometers from Angola through Namibia to South Africa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They appear suddenly, grow mature over decades, then eventually re-vegetate after 30 to 75 years, Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now mushroom verer rings are something else entirely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These circular formations created by fungi, actual mushrooms erupting and rings across meadows forests, and even in your backyard, there's a couple here in town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Over 120 fungal species create these patterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew about that, usually a mushroom fairy circle would be a tree there at some point that was removed and the mushrooms are feeding on the rotting roots of the tree that are not visible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these rings are older than nations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The largest documented fairy ring near Belport France spans 600 meters in diameter and is over 700 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that ring started growing before the printing press was invented.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Despite being caused by completely different mechanisms, both phenomena create similar circular patterns, and independently across continents and centuries, human-solving circles and invented almost identical supernatural explanations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, with how this year's going on our country, I'd welcome me and take into the fairy realm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get screwed to death by a whole bunch of male-fay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm what made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 20th century England, people had a word for fairy-what-rings, and the faring-wort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally, elf-wring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The elves danced in circles at night, and their footsteps burned the grass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The French called them Rhondessosari, which is circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Germans called them Haxenringch, which is rings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And German tradition held these marked where which is dance on Valkorgies night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dutch superstition claims circle showed where the devil sets his milk churn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Teoroll, folklore said the rings marked where flying dragons fiery tales touched the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pulling shit out of their ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to English and Celtic tales in a human entry in a fairy ring, would be compelled to dance with the fairies, and he couldn't stop, can't stop on stop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You danced until you went mad, until you died.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welsh legend tells of Luelin and Rhys, who danced for what felt like minutes in a fairy ring only to discover days or weeks had passed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Irish and Scottish mythology developed the most elaborate cosmology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Ashi, meaning people of the mountains, where a supernatural race, they lived in the Shee, very mountains, ancient burial sites, very ring-served as portals to the other world, to Tehrananog, the land of eternal youth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's easy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming up right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got me some apple cider the other day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are two of my two favorite seasonal drinks, apple cider and eggnol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Step inside of Fairy Ring, and you might be transported permanently, the AC for fierce guardians and fringing broad relations, including kidnapping or replacing human children with change links.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were escape tactics, run around the rain exactly nine times, touch the victim with iron, use wild majoram and time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But most importantly, the rescuer must wait a year and a day from when the victim entered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other side of the world indigenous peoples of Namibia, developed completely independent mythology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Himbab people tell that Makuru, their original ancestor and primary deity, created the circles and imbued them with magical powers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some say they are Makuru's actual footprint, physical evidence
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another widespread legend tells of an underground dragon whose poisonous breath kills vegetation on the surface of its layer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remarkably, this echoes the troll dragon legend from Europe, despite geographic isolation and zero cultural contact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Medieval England, Indigenous Namibia, Aboriginal, Australia, different continents, different centuries in zero contact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yet they all looked at mysterious circular patterns and said, the devil did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The circles were sacred, dangerous, and demanded respect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, science arrived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Surely that would end the mystery, but it did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with the mushroom fairy rings because at least those, science actually understands, mostly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Picture a single microscopic mushroom spore landing on favorable ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The spore develops mycelium, a vast underground network of thread-like filaments called hyphi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These spread outward in all directions from that single point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It grows radially, consuming what it needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the crucial discovery published in 2023.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As nutrients in the center deplete in the fungus releases its own DNA into the soil, that central area becomes toxic to itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fungus literally poisons itself through self-dNA accumulation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The center dies, the outer edge thrives, and you get a ring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This process continues year after year, decade after decade, sometimes century after
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grow Threates vary from 7 centimeters per year to 125 centimeters per year for others.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's quite big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When conditions align, the ring produces its calling card.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mushrooms erupting seasonally at the outer growing edge making the invisible visible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The most famous ring former is Mazarita's Oridis, the ferry ring Champagne, signed as sequence its complete genome in 2019, revealing 13,891 genes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Mushroom Rings don't just create circles, they engineer entire ecosystems.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Recent research documented that active fairy rings increase ammonia in the soil by up to 455 percent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They devil iron content too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they fundamentally alter the chemistry of the ground they grow in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some species produce fairy chemicals, which are growth-promoting compounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These act like plant hormones stimulating Ruth elongation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These create what you see in Meta's Worldwide, rings where vegetation grows dark green and lush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or sometimes rings where vegetation dies, creating bear zones, with lush growth just outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bear, that's Josh's favorite sounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bear's own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I prefer my bear's own steep inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pass the second ring if you know what I mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bear rings our certified ecosystem engineers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Species that fundamentally modify their environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their nature's long-term terraformers, altering soil chemistry at scales from less than one meter
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[SPEAKER_00]: Scientists understand the mechanism now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mushroom rings aren't mysterious anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, their elegant fungal architecture operating on geological timescales.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, Namibian phary circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where scientists are still fighting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2013, German researcher Norbert, Yerges, published a paper in Science Magazine
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[SPEAKER_00]: His claim, sand termites create the circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These insects consume grass roots underground, creating water reservoirs that sustain termite colonies during drought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is evident seen over well-mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Termites were found in 81 to 100% of surveyed circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were present in 100% of newly formed circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And soil moisture remained remarkably high even during drought, exactly what water harvesting termites would create, case closed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then in 2014, Australian ferry circles were discovered,
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[SPEAKER_00]: No sand turbines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stefan Getzin, a researcher from the University of Gotonin, emerged as the termite theories primary critic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2022, he published a study that shook everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were shooketh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Getzin's team excavated 500 individual grass plants from circle edges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dead grasses had longer undamaged roots than living ones, and if termites were eating roots,
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[SPEAKER_00]: The dead plants died seeking water they couldn't reach, not from termite damage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They discovered that water depleted three times faster when surrounding grass is established.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sea-lean germinating and circle centers have shallow roots only about 10cm deep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grasses have roots that can reach 100 centimeters, drawing water laterally from the circle interior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With intent to 20 days, those center seedlings desiccate and die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a classic terrain pattern formation to say mathematical phenomenon that creates leopard spots and zebra stripes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The circle space themselves with hexagonal regularity for optimal water extraction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Its plant competition organising itself into geometry, which I don't hate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Following Getsen's publication, the New York Times reported that multiple researchers said the study conclusively showed, termites are not a factor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The termite hypothesis appeared dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Urgen's wasn't finished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2023, he published a 376 page book to many pages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Defending the termite theory, who's gonna read that about termites?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably no pictures or nothing in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still know how one you have the most time in how you're making money off of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only so much you can learn about termites.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He argued that critics are ignoring basic physics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what makes this fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both sides have PhDs, both have decades of field experience, both have published and top journals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're citing contradictory observations from the same landscape and they cannot agree on fundamental physics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't historical mystery where we'll never know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is active science where researchers are accusing each other of bad
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[SPEAKER_00]: But 50 years and millions of dollars later, consensus remains elusive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, where does that leave us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For mushroom fairy ring, science has essentially solved it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We understand radial mushroom growth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know why they form rings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Self DNA accumulation creating toxicity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can explain dead zones through water-repellent soil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We understand abundant zones through nutrient concentration and fairy chemicals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it really taken all the magic out of these forming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For an amphibian fairy circles, we have a leading theory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plant self-organization through water competition supported by increasingly compelling evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the termite theory refuses to die, defended by credible researchers citing their own field observations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's what science has definitively explained why human soft theories and dragons and dancing gods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Think about what pre-scientific observers encountered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Circles that appeared overnight for no visible reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect geometry, suggesting intentional design, dramatic environmental effects that seem to violate natural law.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The circular form holds profound symbolic meaning across cultures, representing cycles, eternity, divine perfection, and boundaries between worlds, when mysterious circles appear in liminal spaces and are associated with moonlit nights, supernatural connections become inevitable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Humans evolve to detect agency, to assume intention behind patterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you see a perfect circle with dramatic effects and no visible cause, your brain says, something intelligent made this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Given available evidence supernatural attribution wasn't primitive superstition, it was rational in appearance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's remarkable is how the folklore actually preserve practical wisdom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walsh tradition held that sheep eating fairy grass flourish and crop sown around rings prove more bound to full, and that's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vegetation and abundant sowns actually is more nutritious due to elevated nitrogen, so the folklore worked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Science doesn't destroy mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It only deepens it, revealing that nature's mechanisms can be as wondrous as any supernatural explanation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That French mushroom ring has been growing for 700 years through plague and war and revolution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That fungus has been slowly, patiently, expanding outward, transforming the soil and engineering its ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They birth and die across generations, appearing and disappearing according to rules were still arguing about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the mystery and jurors, not because science failed, but because nature is genuinely mysterious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some phenomena are so complex that even our best instruments and brightest minds struggle to fully explain them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Medieval peasants seen mushroom rings in moonlight and running home terrified weren't stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were responding rationally to genuinely mysterious phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The difference now is that we have tools to investigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can sequence fungal genomes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can deploy soil moisture sensors and we can build mathematical models.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but some mysteries resist easy answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some debates take decades to settle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some phenomena are so complex that even PhDs with millions and fundings can look at the same evidence and reach opposite conclusions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Spend millions of dollars, like, it ain't that, where's my account from?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It ain't that important to know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and maybe that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's even wonderful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in the end, whether you call them fairy rings or fungal architecture, whether you call them macurros for prints or churring patterns, these circles remain one of nature's most elegant demonstrations that reality can be as magical as any myth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The circles are still there, growing, dancing, leaving footprints, challenging us to explain them, and we're still trying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure I've seen one mushroom one like in-between Marion and Wabash on my way up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one down like towards downtown just right past where Walgreens used to be on the left-hand side there where it was like when like September October I think it's gone now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't last very long
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought it was so cool when I did see the, why in the world is it that I can definitely believe how you know an educated peasants would think it would like, like I wouldn't walk into it if I had, you know, was a peasant with no education or rational thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get in that, that's the devil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But now hell, I'd welcome a chance to slip into a fairy realm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: such as Sleepy Girl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I read all that, but I don't remember what I just read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were too many big words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't retain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're compared to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I picked it, but you wrote it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the thing is, is I've, like, most of my education is in science,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was really fascinating that you had two PhD scientists who I don't know where they got all that funding like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, millions of times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That much, we weren't, you just spend this money this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we just got all this money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to spend it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to weigh, we got these grants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to spend it somehow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will give us more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then you have them come to two opposite conclusions, based on the same evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's typically not how science typically works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just say that's very fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in the termite theory,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might work on that one, but the ones in Australia didn't have termites.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that varies, you know, that's out the window, like all that money wasted on that book, a 300-page book about termites, they say autism is a new thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, please, I love those things, I'll see it on social media sometimes, that's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you think autism is new, but your grandpa has a, you know, a train obsession in his basement that he spends hours a day obsessing over trains and making models for his trains, but yeah, it's new.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I saw one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more books, some scientists like in the early 1900s wrote,
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[SPEAKER_00]: not one but like 10 books about ferns just ferns thick 10 books all about ferns and they're like and you think it's new.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to be on the spectrum to write it for good books about ferns
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're a plant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the oldest plant species.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're, they're the books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, no, no, no, can you keep them alive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Furns?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've not been able to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've only tried once, but that was like before I were realized I had a green thumb and they did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They require too much humidity for plants that I take care of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do well with humid-loving plans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't do good with succulents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love ferns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I love the big ones, people put on their plans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was before I love the bird-ness ferns I've had and killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really want to learn how to take care of them better because I want a stack horn fern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are really cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They look like a stacks horn, and you can grow them like a piece of bark, kind of like orchids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want to invest in one and then kill it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one that I really want to be able to, which I've had one before and I killed it, but isn't an African violet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to have another African violet and learn how to actually take care of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a couple of those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have one fern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an asparagus fern, but it's like a hearty fern, like it was on my front porch all summer, and then I brought it inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When it got cold, and it's still alive, but again, it's a hearty fern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't need like humidity, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I love ferns, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like them, but some of them weird me out how they reproduce is different than other plants because they are such an old species of plant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll get the, you know, on the underside of the leaves, some burn leaves, you'll see like brown spots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they reproduce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like they're like pollen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want not, but it just, it looks like a disease or like bug eggs and like when I see it, I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like bug eggs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to come that off, but they like grosses me out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My Thanksgiving cactus is blooming already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a red one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mine's like a hot pink.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did have a Thanksgiving, a Christmas, and a Easter cactus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other two did not make it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Thanksgiving ones the only one I have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're very hard to take care of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like a parasitic plant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're a tropical cactus species.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From South America, and they grow in the grooves of trees and feed off of the water and nutrients off of that tree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like orchids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're closer to an orchid than an actual like desert cactus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're cool, I want to like keep one of them at least alive for years because they can get really big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are usually like heirloom plants, like people will get them from grandma's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had them for like 50 years and they're giant, like a mine soap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you get my Thanksgiving cactus one at a time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Josh is about to write his tenth book about about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks for joining us on mystery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Catch us on unmatched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right after this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be ready at a fairy circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right over there waiting on you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see you there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
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