Jan. 20, 2026
The Lead Masks of Vintem Hill | Brazil 1966
Two men in suits. Two homemade lead masks. One cryptic note. And a mystery that's haunted Brazil for nearly sixty years.
In August 1966, a teenager flying a kite on a hillside outside Rio de Janeiro stumbled onto a scene that would become one of South America's most baffling unsolved cases. Two electronics technicians—Manoel Pereira da Cruz and Miguel José Viana—lay dead on the grass, positioned side by side like they'd simply fallen asleep. But they weren't sleeping. And the crude lead masks covering their eyes weren't for rest.
Jinkies—wait until you hear what was in their pockets.
A handwritten note with specific instructions. References to ingesting capsules at precise times. And the chilling phrase: "Await signal. Mask."
The gang investigates what these two "scientific spiritualists" were actually doing on that remote hillside. Both men had lied to their families about where they were going. Both had been conducting experiments combining electronics with supernatural practices. And both died reaching for something—whether spirits, extraterrestrials, or something else entirely—that required lead shielding and careful preparation.
What killed them? The most frustrating part: we may never know. Brazilian authorities in 1966 never performed a toxicology test. Two men found dead with a note explicitly mentioning capsules, and no one thought to check what those capsules contained. The case was closed as "undetermined."
Like, what if someone gave them those capsules knowing exactly what would happen?
Shane, Josh, and Kim explore every theory—from a spiritual experiment gone wrong to UFO contact (witnesses reported strange orange lights over the hill that night) to murder by a mysterious female contact who purchased the water bottle found at the scene but was never investigated. The trail leads through 1960s Brazilian spiritualism, amateur electronics experiments, and a community of believers who thought they could contact beings from other dimensions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: August 20th, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A boy climbs a hillside in need of Roy Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a kite in one hand and he's looking for a good spot with some wind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That when he sees them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men lying side-by-side on the grass, dressed in suits and ties, their good suits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eyes covered by strange masks made of lead, homemade, crude, like something from a nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At first he thinks they're sleeping, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In one of the men's pockets, a handwritten note, a set of instructions, 1630, Be at the determined place, 1830, ingest capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After effect, protect metals, await signal, mask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What capsules?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one knows, because no toxicology was ever performed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello friend, welcome to the haunted bunker, where mysteries hide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Shane Waters, and tonight we're traveling to Brazil, for one of the strangest unsolved deaths in South American history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men, a cryptic ritual, lead masks, and a mystery,
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's time to descend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Kim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I need to take you to Brazil, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's two years before I was born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The countries in the middle of a military dictatorship, but culturally, spiritually, something interesting is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Millions of Brazilians practice what's called Brazilians' spiritism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean millions, this isn't fringe stuff, it's mainstream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a belief system founded by a French philosopher Alan Kardick in the mid-1800s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It combines elements of Christianity with reincarnation and, most importantly, spirit communication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sanctions, mediumship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea that the living can contact the dead through proper methods and preparation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the 1960s, there's a subset of practitioners who call themselves scientific spiritualists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are people often engineers, technicians, educated men who believe they can combine electronics with spiritual practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That there's a technological component to reaching the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds wild now, but this was a real movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: men building devices, conducting experiments, taking it very seriously, and in a city about 280 kilometers from Rio de Janeiro, two men fit this profile perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Men of well, 32 years old, electronics technician married with children, runs a repair shop,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Manuel's business partner and close friend, both men share an obsession, the intersection of technology and the supernatural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not casual dabblers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to the family, they've been conducting experiments trying to make contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On August 17th, 1966, Manuel and Miguel tell their families they're traveling to Sao Paulo for business and they're lying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: August 17th, two men don't go anywhere near Sago Palo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, they take a bus to Niterio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm telling you, Kim, I'm not pronouncing these words right, I need to just find stories in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a coastal city, just across from Guanabara Bay, from Rio de Janeiro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the same distance from their homes, but in the wrong direction entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: To their families?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why they're?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We honestly don't know, but we can trace their movements that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They arrive by bus, they go to a local store and buy a bottle of water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They purchase two raincoats, then they head to a bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A waitress remembers them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She remembers one of the men in particular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's described as very nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps checking his watch, looking around as if he's waiting for someone or a specific time to arrive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later after noon on August 17th, they spotted a sending a hillside near a nearby neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The locals call it Vintem Hill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the last time anyone sees them alive and then two days pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: August 20th, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A teenager named Jorge, 18 years old, climbs that same hillside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's there to fly a kite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's windy at the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's where he finds them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men lying side by side on the grass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're resting, like they fall in a sleep looking at the sky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: their good suits as it turns out, and then next to them an empty water bottle, two wet towels, and two raincoats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ones they purchased the day they arrived.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In covering their eyes, crude homemade masks, fashioned from lead sheets, with oval openings cut out, simple,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jorge thinks they're sleeping, then he realizes they're not breathing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He runs to get help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The terrain on the hill is tough, overgrown, difficult to navigate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Jorge reports the bodies, please don't actually reach the scene until August 21st, which is the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bodies have been lying on that hillside in the Brazilian sun for approximately
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[SPEAKER_01]: When investigators finally arrive, they document the scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two men are positioned side by side, not haphazardly, but intentionally placed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No signs of struggle, no visible wounds, no indication of violence at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead masks are still on their faces, and in one of their pockets, a small notebook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A star, no loc, no locale, determinato, 1830.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In gear, capsules, a post, ifierto, I know I'm butcher in these Portuguese.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you what, Mattay's a Guardo, senal, mascara.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you speak Portuguese, so far, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that your Portuguese cam?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're so good girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Portuguese that you learn in the hills in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll translate it in English.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It means 1630, which is a time, be at the determined place, 1830 to hours later, and just capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After effect, protect metals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a weight signal, mask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A set of instructions, a timed ritual, references to capsules that should be ingested, some kind of signal they were waiting for, and the masks plural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The notebook belongs to one of the victims, written in their own handwriting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you would think, given a note, explicitly mentioning ingesting capsules that toxicology would be the first priority.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You would think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bodies were released to the families before toxicology was prioritized.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tests were never performed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to repeat that, two men are found dead under mysterious circumstances, with a note in their pocket, literally saying they plan to swallow capsules and Brazilian authorities never tested for poison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The official cause of death, undetermined, the case closed without resolution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what killed these two men on the hillside and August of 1966?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's work through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first theory and the one most consistent with what we actually know is that this was a spiritual experiment gone wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both men were documented scientific spiritualists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their families confirmed they've conducted experiments before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The coded instructions in the notebook, the lead masks, the formal attire, the remote location, all of this suggests pre-meditation, planning, or ritual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The capsules referenced in the note, likely substances they believed would help facilitate contact with something beyond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether that was spirits, higher beings, or something else entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the capsules contained something toxic, intentionally or accidentally, it would explain simultaneous deaths with no visible trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men taking the same substance at the same time, and the lead masks, protection, whatever they expect a two encounter, whether light, energy, or radiation, they believed led with shield
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[SPEAKER_01]: This theory explains what we can verify.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just can't tell us what they were actually trying to reach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second theory goes further, UFO contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some witnesses and I need to use the word reportedly here because this was never officially verified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some witnesses reported seeing unusual orange lights over that hill around the same time the men died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the 1960s, the UFO contact de-movement was active in that area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The belief that extraterrestrials could be contacted
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[SPEAKER_01]: Specific locations, specific times, ritual procedures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A weight signal takes on a different meaning under this lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead masks weren't for spiritual protection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were to shield their eyes from the brilliant light of a descending craft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The light reports aren't unverified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to doodle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Second and third hand accounts, collected years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The third possibility, a simple drug overdose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever those capsules contained, maybe they were lethal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The men died from taking a toxic substance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ritual elements, the masks, the notes, the location, are set dressing for what was fundamentally appoisoning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most mundane explanation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth theory is murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the waitress who said one man was nervous, constantly checking his watch, waiting for someone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some accounts mentioned a mysterious female contact, possibly a spiritual guide who had worked with them in before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most credible name in the record is Gassinda, a woman of high social status, but whoever this contact was, she was never officially investigated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If someone arranged to meet the two men on that hillside, someone who gave them the capsules, watch them die and walk away, it would look exactly like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No struggle, no wounds, just two bodys in a note that reads like suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is there's no clear motive and no evidence anyone else was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fifth theory, a suicide pact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The formal attire, the simultaneous deaths, the remote location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does fit a pattern, but neither man showed signs of depression, neither family reported anything troubling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to end your life, you don't need a cryptic ritual, lead masks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: encoded instructions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless the ritual was the point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless whatever they believed, whatever they were reaching for, was real enough to them that death was just a doorway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now what are we left with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well let me tell you what keeps me up about this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The investigation failures are inexcusable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever your theory, mundane or paranormal, there should have been a toxicology test at the very least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Brazilian authorities in 1966 received two bodies with a note explicitly mentioning capsules and they still didn't prioritize testing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's either staggering incompetence or something else entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know what those capsules contained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know if they came from a pharmacy, a lab, or a backroom contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know if them in understood what they were taking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if someone lied to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we know what the two men believed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They believed enough to lie to their families, to travel hours in the wrong direction, to buy raincoats and water, like men preparing for an expedition, to write instructions with specific times, to fashion masks from lead with their own hands, to put on their best suits,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm that hill, swallow these capsules and wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They believed something was coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some signal, some contact, some presence that required protection and preparation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether that something was a spirit, a spacecraft, a chemical hallucination, or nothing at all, on August 17, 1966,
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[SPEAKER_01]: two men lay down on a Brazilian hillside, covered their eyes, and reached for it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead masks of Ventum Hill, one of Brazil's greatest unsolved mysteries, and unless someone opens this case again, unless new evidence emerges, new testimony surfaces, or a confession is given, where left exactly where these two men
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what do you think, Cam?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think happened?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were definitely waiting on something, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you got from that whole thing, Cam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are you saying?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it was something that they had just planned together to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just go out and do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they were waiting on something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you a foe?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they were waiting on people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your theory?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm not, I don't know about the UFO.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking maybe more of like, maybe a spy or a person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking more of a person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then why would they wear a mud mask and be lying down?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're waiting on a spy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they didn't want them to know what they looked like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what tricks me out is they didn't tell their family, they lied to their family, where they were going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And their family, it's not like they needed to lie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they were in the closet about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why wouldn't you just say, oh, yeah, I'm doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that part is a little unnerving to me, which makes me believe that they were put up to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that whoever put them up to it, told them, do not tell anyone that you're doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a secret, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my best guess is that someone or a group of people approach them, maybe they knew them, maybe they knew them somehow and said, hey guys,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know of a secret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in contact with Esther Trestrials or someone from the spirit side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can get you contact with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these two men would have to have believed them enough to trust them enough to go do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for them, they may have felt like this is too good of an opportunity to turn down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their instructions could have been clear in what they needed to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make a mask of lead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those type of details, making a mask out of lead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go out in your finest dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that probably was enough to make them feel like this was a real
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[SPEAKER_01]: real preparation for what they were about to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that whoever, like, I feel like the person who would have done this, would have either have given them the pills or told them how to make them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the two men probably didn't know that combining those ingredients would kill them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But this person or group, I would agree with that because you would think that if they had plans on doing something like that, killing themselves, they would have in some way said buy to their family, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or I don't know necessarily give them a hit on what they were going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why, why, like a double suicide, two people committing suicide at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when you're not a couple, like it's not, you know, that is a lot more rare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't see them doing that, and there will be no reason to do it in that fashion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, it's a way that your name is remembered because there's some mysteriousness around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, I just don't foresee that being the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, he probably wouldn't have been having that in his pocket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably would have tossed that the note, because that suggests that they took it on their own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to come up with this, especially, you're not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably wouldn't have gone to that bar of the restaurant prior, because you wouldn't want people in that area to be like, oh, yeah, they were alone in the door to the door, you know, if you're trying to create mystery, you're not doing the type of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he kept checking his watch makes me feel like there was a set time they were instructed to be at that location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now if it was a suicide, I would lean toward one of them and the other one didn't know murder suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the only case I don't see them both going out there committing suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to be one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, why make the masks, why do all these things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And unless you're trying to trick the other person, because if you're getting all that detail into going out there, you're going to start believing, you're going to start believing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That when you go out there, you're going to be seeing these extraterrestrials or spirits from the other side or whoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I feel like it's one of the two scenarios.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Either one of the men knew and they were committing suicide and they were going to kill the other person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or second option they were tricked and either of those options I could see them lying to their family about going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't want that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that they stop at the place prior and the waitress who ever saw the two men and they saw one of them keep checking their watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm checking my watch, that means there are certain time I need to be somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You continuously look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, if they were not being instructed or if one of them was not in the know and they're just planning this on their own, why would they go out there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would make them think that there would be some type of spiritual activity at this location?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's around the corner from their house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there would have to be some type of an additional power person who came up with this theory that they told at least one of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so either one of them in had to have known and tricked the other one or it's this other scenario now I would lean against murder suicide because I would need a motive for around it and and I also have a question on what Like where was there money missing I couldn't find that information where they both married
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They both had family.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I kind of wonder if maybe one of them was gay and he wanted to be with the other one maybe and convinced him that, you know, we're going to go do this or whatever and he might have had the the thought of if I can't have him nobody can.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, it was in the 60s, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's no evidence of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, but there's no evidence of a lot of stuff on that either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just in order for my mind to go there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would need some type of evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just don't foresee that being in the case, just because there's no I mean, I'm not saying it's not, it wasn't the case, but it's just not where my mind goes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and we know that you have a lot better mind than I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in all honesty, I think if that was the case, people would have said that they saw depression in one of them, like the person who would be scheming that would be going through something and that would be seen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just, I don't know, and again, when it comes to both thinking it could have been suicide or that or any other scenario, I would lean toward foul play being involved rather than anything because I would hate to accuse one of them of something if there's no evidence behind it, you know, it's much at least on my mind, we can't ask them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if I had to label us something, I would say that foul play was involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what's the motive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have two people who have a lot of knowledge in electrical stuff, and they had an interest in spiritualism, a lot of people did, nothing against it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that left them open to be preyed upon, you know, so maybe it could have been someone in their work environment, you know, maybe they saw something they, they weren't supposed to at work and then all of a sudden, you know, someone was like, oh, how can I get them taken out, I can use this as an excuse, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite brilliant too because if I'm going to commit foul play again, someone like this, I know of the scenario that they're going to be found in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have two spiritualists who try to contact extraterrestrials and all these things, and they're going to be found deceased.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with a no clear sign of how they were killed and they're going to be found with lead home made masks on their face and they're going to be in really nice suits and that leaves open a lot of mystery behind it that oh my gosh while we're going on, you know, was it aliens that did this, you know, so I mean, that just gives a lot of
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[SPEAKER_01]: defense, I feel like, for whoever could have done it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, ultimately, as I said in my mystery, I plays a lot of blame when detectives don't do their job correctly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, even if that note was not found in their pocket that explicitly says capsules, that they were in two ingest capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why the hell would you not do a toxicology report?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you cannot tell
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[SPEAKER_01]: toxicology would be the next thing that you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you could tell that, like, even if they were both stabbed to death.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even in the States, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who knows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When the mysteries that will never be solved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There could always be
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they know the two men are buried, they could try to do toxicology report, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the problem with that with doing toxicology after is it's going to be a lot less reliable
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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever poison they had to kill them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because with any type of thing that you ingest, your body will dissolve it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if it's something that, you know, put them to sleep, and then kill them after several hours, then that could give the body enough time to your system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to break it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if it's broken down, you won't be able to test it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_04]: We like those mysteries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Kim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my shit fire story today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be nightmare fuel for you, Kim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I 93-year-old named Kim Morrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 93-year-old woman and Los Angeles have been hearing strange noises from under her house for weeks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I have to go home to an empty house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, that's why I'm here for you, Ken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nockin' sounds late at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the knocks seem to follow her footsteps as she walks across the floor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did she keep minting her basement?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She figured it must be Ratcunes, possums, some kind of animal situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Normal stuff for an older house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not Ratcunes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In November 2024, the noise has got so loud that her family finally called the police.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Officers showed up, checked under the house, and found a 27-year-old man named Isaac, living in the cross-space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Naked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is your dream, isn't it, camera, 27-year-old man named Isaac?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come get you some of this!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on in, doors unlocked, back doors open.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'd just throw him in the basement the rest of the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But naked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's naked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why the hell would you be naked living underneath someone's floor?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now this cross space was only about two feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't even set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It stretched around the entire house with three different entry points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy had set up camp down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had blankets, food, the whole setup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The family believed he'd been living there for up to six months.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's where it gets wild.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh Lord, he'd like it as an already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When police tried to get him out, he refused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, he said they brought in police dogs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't scared, they tried rubber bullets, he still wouldn't budge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first round of tear gas, nope, he stayed put, it took a full SWAT team, and multiple rounds of tear gas before this guy finally crawled out at around 4.30 in the morning, five hours after police first arrived.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, it's dedication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sudden loss reaction to all of this, he told reporters, quote, it's a bizarre thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not probably uncommon, you know, in this day and age, people looking for shelter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not uncommon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, hunts are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have people living in my flowboard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the real kicker, the charge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a Mr. Meena trespassing charge, that said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lives rent free under a 93-year-old woman's house for potentially half a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Requires a full swap team to extract him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he walks away with a Mr. Meena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The family has since secured all the cross-space entry points.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would hope so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, why are you knocking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was he like, hey, guys, you're too out up there, you know, like we have an apartment in your life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're beating on the ceiling with a broom pole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but not... Or maybe he's wankin' and he's... Maybe, you never know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why, I mean, if he didn't knock that no one would have ever known.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably 11 there again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If all he got was a misdemeanor,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why naked?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are spiders underneath their serr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna get your testies bitten by all the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not living there naked.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then they would swell and he would not be able to get out from a neat crawl space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A size of a will barrel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Serr?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, while you're ready to go to unmasked, we have a whole box of snacks and we have a little envelope here from a listener.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it might be from Mary, but I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like it when we get things from Mary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's from Texas, where I bet it's warm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, it'd be nice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It would be...
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[SPEAKER_01]: That blanket's getting real pretty came out like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost, I have this much to finish the border and then the back of it's going to be backed with flannel and then moving down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So hopefully it'll be done by tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see you later and we'll catch you on unmasked right after this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got snacks from Germany.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be trying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yay!
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see you there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye!
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[SPEAKER_01]: two electronics technicians, two red masks, one cryptic note.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Men well and Miguel left their families with a lie, climbed a hill in formal attire, and died waiting for something that either never came or arrived exactly as planned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Brazilian authorities never performed a toxicology test, they never identified the capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They never pursued the mysterious contact, they simply closed the case,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know what men well and Miguel were trying to reach that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What signal they were waiting for as the sun set over Neuteroi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they believed so completely that they climbed that hill swallowed those capsules and put on those masks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some mysteries aren't meant to be solved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're meant to be felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lights are dimming, the bunker door is closing, but the mysteries, they're just getting started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Shane Waters, stay curious, stay skeptical, and stay a little bit scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good night, friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: August 20th, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A boy climbs a hillside in need of Roy Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a kite in one hand and he's looking for a good spot with some wind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That when he sees them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men lying side-by-side on the grass, dressed in suits and ties, their good suits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eyes covered by strange masks made of lead, homemade, crude, like something from a nightmare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At first he thinks they're sleeping, they're not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In one of the men's pockets, a handwritten note, a set of instructions, 1630, Be at the determined place, 1830, ingest capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After effect, protect metals, await signal, mask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What capsules?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one knows, because no toxicology was ever performed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello friend, welcome to the haunted bunker, where mysteries hide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Shane Waters, and tonight we're traveling to Brazil, for one of the strangest unsolved deaths in South American history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men, a cryptic ritual, lead masks, and a mystery,
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's time to descend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Kim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I need to take you to Brazil, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's two years before I was born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The countries in the middle of a military dictatorship, but culturally, spiritually, something interesting is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Millions of Brazilians practice what's called Brazilians' spiritism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean millions, this isn't fringe stuff, it's mainstream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a belief system founded by a French philosopher Alan Kardick in the mid-1800s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It combines elements of Christianity with reincarnation and, most importantly, spirit communication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sanctions, mediumship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea that the living can contact the dead through proper methods and preparation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the 1960s, there's a subset of practitioners who call themselves scientific spiritualists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are people often engineers, technicians, educated men who believe they can combine electronics with spiritual practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That there's a technological component to reaching the other side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds wild now, but this was a real movement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: men building devices, conducting experiments, taking it very seriously, and in a city about 280 kilometers from Rio de Janeiro, two men fit this profile perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Men of well, 32 years old, electronics technician married with children, runs a repair shop,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Manuel's business partner and close friend, both men share an obsession, the intersection of technology and the supernatural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not casual dabblers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to the family, they've been conducting experiments trying to make contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On August 17th, 1966, Manuel and Miguel tell their families they're traveling to Sao Paulo for business and they're lying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: August 17th, two men don't go anywhere near Sago Palo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, they take a bus to Niterio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm telling you, Kim, I'm not pronouncing these words right, I need to just find stories in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a coastal city, just across from Guanabara Bay, from Rio de Janeiro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the same distance from their homes, but in the wrong direction entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: To their families?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why they're?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We honestly don't know, but we can trace their movements that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They arrive by bus, they go to a local store and buy a bottle of water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They purchase two raincoats, then they head to a bar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A waitress remembers them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She remembers one of the men in particular.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's described as very nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps checking his watch, looking around as if he's waiting for someone or a specific time to arrive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later after noon on August 17th, they spotted a sending a hillside near a nearby neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The locals call it Vintem Hill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the last time anyone sees them alive and then two days pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: August 20th, 1966.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A teenager named Jorge, 18 years old, climbs that same hillside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's there to fly a kite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's windy at the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's where he finds them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men lying side by side on the grass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're resting, like they fall in a sleep looking at the sky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: their good suits as it turns out, and then next to them an empty water bottle, two wet towels, and two raincoats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ones they purchased the day they arrived.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In covering their eyes, crude homemade masks, fashioned from lead sheets, with oval openings cut out, simple,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jorge thinks they're sleeping, then he realizes they're not breathing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He runs to get help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The terrain on the hill is tough, overgrown, difficult to navigate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Jorge reports the bodies, please don't actually reach the scene until August 21st, which is the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bodies have been lying on that hillside in the Brazilian sun for approximately
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[SPEAKER_01]: When investigators finally arrive, they document the scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The two men are positioned side by side, not haphazardly, but intentionally placed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No signs of struggle, no visible wounds, no indication of violence at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead masks are still on their faces, and in one of their pockets, a small notebook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A star, no loc, no locale, determinato, 1830.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In gear, capsules, a post, ifierto, I know I'm butcher in these Portuguese.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you what, Mattay's a Guardo, senal, mascara.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you speak Portuguese, so far, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that your Portuguese cam?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're so good girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Portuguese that you learn in the hills in Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll translate it in English.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It means 1630, which is a time, be at the determined place, 1830 to hours later, and just capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After effect, protect metals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a weight signal, mask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A set of instructions, a timed ritual, references to capsules that should be ingested, some kind of signal they were waiting for, and the masks plural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The notebook belongs to one of the victims, written in their own handwriting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you would think, given a note, explicitly mentioning ingesting capsules that toxicology would be the first priority.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You would think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bodies were released to the families before toxicology was prioritized.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The tests were never performed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to repeat that, two men are found dead under mysterious circumstances, with a note in their pocket, literally saying they plan to swallow capsules and Brazilian authorities never tested for poison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The official cause of death, undetermined, the case closed without resolution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what killed these two men on the hillside and August of 1966?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's work through this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first theory and the one most consistent with what we actually know is that this was a spiritual experiment gone wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both men were documented scientific spiritualists.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their families confirmed they've conducted experiments before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The coded instructions in the notebook, the lead masks, the formal attire, the remote location, all of this suggests pre-meditation, planning, or ritual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The capsules referenced in the note, likely substances they believed would help facilitate contact with something beyond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether that was spirits, higher beings, or something else entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the capsules contained something toxic, intentionally or accidentally, it would explain simultaneous deaths with no visible trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two men taking the same substance at the same time, and the lead masks, protection, whatever they expect a two encounter, whether light, energy, or radiation, they believed led with shield
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[SPEAKER_01]: This theory explains what we can verify.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just can't tell us what they were actually trying to reach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second theory goes further, UFO contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some witnesses and I need to use the word reportedly here because this was never officially verified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But some witnesses reported seeing unusual orange lights over that hill around the same time the men died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the 1960s, the UFO contact de-movement was active in that area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The belief that extraterrestrials could be contacted
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[SPEAKER_01]: Specific locations, specific times, ritual procedures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A weight signal takes on a different meaning under this lens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead masks weren't for spiritual protection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were to shield their eyes from the brilliant light of a descending craft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The light reports aren't unverified.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to doodle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Second and third hand accounts, collected years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The third possibility, a simple drug overdose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever those capsules contained, maybe they were lethal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The men died from taking a toxic substance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The ritual elements, the masks, the notes, the location, are set dressing for what was fundamentally appoisoning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most mundane explanation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fourth theory is murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the waitress who said one man was nervous, constantly checking his watch, waiting for someone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some accounts mentioned a mysterious female contact, possibly a spiritual guide who had worked with them in before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The most credible name in the record is Gassinda, a woman of high social status, but whoever this contact was, she was never officially investigated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If someone arranged to meet the two men on that hillside, someone who gave them the capsules, watch them die and walk away, it would look exactly like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No struggle, no wounds, just two bodys in a note that reads like suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is there's no clear motive and no evidence anyone else was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fifth theory, a suicide pact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The formal attire, the simultaneous deaths, the remote location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does fit a pattern, but neither man showed signs of depression, neither family reported anything troubling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to end your life, you don't need a cryptic ritual, lead masks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: encoded instructions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless the ritual was the point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless whatever they believed, whatever they were reaching for, was real enough to them that death was just a doorway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now what are we left with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well let me tell you what keeps me up about this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The investigation failures are inexcusable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever your theory, mundane or paranormal, there should have been a toxicology test at the very least.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Brazilian authorities in 1966 received two bodies with a note explicitly mentioning capsules and they still didn't prioritize testing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's either staggering incompetence or something else entirely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know what those capsules contained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know if they came from a pharmacy, a lab, or a backroom contact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know if them in understood what they were taking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if someone lied to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we know what the two men believed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They believed enough to lie to their families, to travel hours in the wrong direction, to buy raincoats and water, like men preparing for an expedition, to write instructions with specific times, to fashion masks from lead with their own hands, to put on their best suits,
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm that hill, swallow these capsules and wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They believed something was coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some signal, some contact, some presence that required protection and preparation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether that something was a spirit, a spacecraft, a chemical hallucination, or nothing at all, on August 17, 1966,
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[SPEAKER_01]: two men lay down on a Brazilian hillside, covered their eyes, and reached for it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead masks of Ventum Hill, one of Brazil's greatest unsolved mysteries, and unless someone opens this case again, unless new evidence emerges, new testimony surfaces, or a confession is given, where left exactly where these two men
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what do you think, Cam?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think happened?
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[SPEAKER_04]: They were definitely waiting on something, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you got from that whole thing, Cam.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I know that's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What are you saying?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it was something that they had just planned together to do.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Just go out and do it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they were waiting on something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are you a foe?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they were waiting on people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your theory?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm not, I don't know about the UFO.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking maybe more of like, maybe a spy or a person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking more of a person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then why would they wear a mud mask and be lying down?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're waiting on a spy.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe they didn't want them to know what they looked like.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what tricks me out is they didn't tell their family, they lied to their family, where they were going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And their family, it's not like they needed to lie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they were in the closet about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why wouldn't you just say, oh, yeah, I'm doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that part is a little unnerving to me, which makes me believe that they were put up to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that whoever put them up to it, told them, do not tell anyone that you're doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a secret, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my best guess is that someone or a group of people approach them, maybe they knew them, maybe they knew them somehow and said, hey guys,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know of a secret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in contact with Esther Trestrials or someone from the spirit side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can get you contact with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these two men would have to have believed them enough to trust them enough to go do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for them, they may have felt like this is too good of an opportunity to turn down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their instructions could have been clear in what they needed to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make a mask of lead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those type of details, making a mask out of lead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go out in your finest dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that probably was enough to make them feel like this was a real
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[SPEAKER_01]: real preparation for what they were about to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that whoever, like, I feel like the person who would have done this, would have either have given them the pills or told them how to make them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the two men probably didn't know that combining those ingredients would kill them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But this person or group, I would agree with that because you would think that if they had plans on doing something like that, killing themselves, they would have in some way said buy to their family, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Or I don't know necessarily give them a hit on what they were going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, why, why, like a double suicide, two people committing suicide at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when you're not a couple, like it's not, you know, that is a lot more rare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't see them doing that, and there will be no reason to do it in that fashion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, it's a way that your name is remembered because there's some mysteriousness around it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, I just don't foresee that being the case.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, he probably wouldn't have been having that in his pocket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably would have tossed that the note, because that suggests that they took it on their own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to come up with this, especially, you're not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably wouldn't have gone to that bar of the restaurant prior, because you wouldn't want people in that area to be like, oh, yeah, they were alone in the door to the door, you know, if you're trying to create mystery, you're not doing the type of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that he kept checking his watch makes me feel like there was a set time they were instructed to be at that location.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now if it was a suicide, I would lean toward one of them and the other one didn't know murder suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the only case I don't see them both going out there committing suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to be one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, why make the masks, why do all these things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And unless you're trying to trick the other person, because if you're getting all that detail into going out there, you're going to start believing, you're going to start believing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That when you go out there, you're going to be seeing these extraterrestrials or spirits from the other side or whoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I feel like it's one of the two scenarios.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Either one of the men knew and they were committing suicide and they were going to kill the other person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or second option they were tricked and either of those options I could see them lying to their family about going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't want that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that they stop at the place prior and the waitress who ever saw the two men and they saw one of them keep checking their watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm checking my watch, that means there are certain time I need to be somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: again.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You continuously look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, if they were not being instructed or if one of them was not in the know and they're just planning this on their own, why would they go out there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would make them think that there would be some type of spiritual activity at this location?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's around the corner from their house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there would have to be some type of an additional power person who came up with this theory that they told at least one of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so either one of them in had to have known and tricked the other one or it's this other scenario now I would lean against murder suicide because I would need a motive for around it and and I also have a question on what Like where was there money missing I couldn't find that information where they both married
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They both had family.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I kind of wonder if maybe one of them was gay and he wanted to be with the other one maybe and convinced him that, you know, we're going to go do this or whatever and he might have had the the thought of if I can't have him nobody can.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I mean, it was in the 60s, so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's no evidence of that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, but there's no evidence of a lot of stuff on that either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just in order for my mind to go there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would need some type of evidence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just don't foresee that being in the case, just because there's no I mean, I'm not saying it's not, it wasn't the case, but it's just not where my mind goes.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and we know that you have a lot better mind than I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in all honesty, I think if that was the case, people would have said that they saw depression in one of them, like the person who would be scheming that would be going through something and that would be seen.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just, I don't know, and again, when it comes to both thinking it could have been suicide or that or any other scenario, I would lean toward foul play being involved rather than anything because I would hate to accuse one of them of something if there's no evidence behind it, you know, it's much at least on my mind, we can't ask them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if I had to label us something, I would say that foul play was involved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what's the motive?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have two people who have a lot of knowledge in electrical stuff, and they had an interest in spiritualism, a lot of people did, nothing against it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that left them open to be preyed upon, you know, so maybe it could have been someone in their work environment, you know, maybe they saw something they, they weren't supposed to at work and then all of a sudden, you know, someone was like, oh, how can I get them taken out, I can use this as an excuse, and
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite brilliant too because if I'm going to commit foul play again, someone like this, I know of the scenario that they're going to be found in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have two spiritualists who try to contact extraterrestrials and all these things, and they're going to be found deceased.
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[SPEAKER_01]: with a no clear sign of how they were killed and they're going to be found with lead home made masks on their face and they're going to be in really nice suits and that leaves open a lot of mystery behind it that oh my gosh while we're going on, you know, was it aliens that did this, you know, so I mean, that just gives a lot of
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[SPEAKER_01]: defense, I feel like, for whoever could have done it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, ultimately, as I said in my mystery, I plays a lot of blame when detectives don't do their job correctly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, even if that note was not found in their pocket that explicitly says capsules, that they were in two ingest capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why the hell would you not do a toxicology report?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you cannot tell
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[SPEAKER_01]: toxicology would be the next thing that you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you could tell that, like, even if they were both stabbed to death.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Even in the States, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Who knows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: When the mysteries that will never be solved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There could always be
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they know the two men are buried, they could try to do toxicology report, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the problem with that with doing toxicology after is it's going to be a lot less reliable
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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever poison they had to kill them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because with any type of thing that you ingest, your body will dissolve it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if it's something that, you know, put them to sleep, and then kill them after several hours, then that could give the body enough time to your system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to break it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if it's broken down, you won't be able to test it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_04]: We like those mysteries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Kim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So my shit fire story today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be nightmare fuel for you, Kim.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I 93-year-old named Kim Morrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 93-year-old woman and Los Angeles have been hearing strange noises from under her house for weeks.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I have to go home to an empty house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, that's why I'm here for you, Ken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nockin' sounds late at night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the knocks seem to follow her footsteps as she walks across the floor.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did she keep minting her basement?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She figured it must be Ratcunes, possums, some kind of animal situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Normal stuff for an older house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not Ratcunes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In November 2024, the noise has got so loud that her family finally called the police.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Officers showed up, checked under the house, and found a 27-year-old man named Isaac, living in the cross-space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Naked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is your dream, isn't it, camera, 27-year-old man named Isaac?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come get you some of this!
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on in, doors unlocked, back doors open.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'd just throw him in the basement the rest of the room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But naked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's naked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why the hell would you be naked living underneath someone's floor?
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[SPEAKER_04]: That was ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now this cross space was only about two feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't even set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It stretched around the entire house with three different entry points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy had set up camp down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had blankets, food, the whole setup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The family believed he'd been living there for up to six months.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's where it gets wild.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh Lord, he'd like it as an already.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When police tried to get him out, he refused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, he said they brought in police dogs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't scared, they tried rubber bullets, he still wouldn't budge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first round of tear gas, nope, he stayed put, it took a full SWAT team, and multiple rounds of tear gas before this guy finally crawled out at around 4.30 in the morning, five hours after police first arrived.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, it's dedication.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sudden loss reaction to all of this, he told reporters, quote, it's a bizarre thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not probably uncommon, you know, in this day and age, people looking for shelter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not uncommon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, hunts are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have people living in my flowboard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the real kicker, the charge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a Mr. Meena trespassing charge, that said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lives rent free under a 93-year-old woman's house for potentially half a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Requires a full swap team to extract him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he walks away with a Mr. Meena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The family has since secured all the cross-space entry points.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would hope so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, why are you knocking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was he like, hey, guys, you're too out up there, you know, like we have an apartment in your life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're beating on the ceiling with a broom pole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but not... Or maybe he's wankin' and he's... Maybe, you never know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why, I mean, if he didn't knock that no one would have ever known.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably 11 there again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If all he got was a misdemeanor,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why naked?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are spiders underneath their serr.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna get your testies bitten by all the things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not living there naked.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then they would swell and he would not be able to get out from a neat crawl space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A size of a will barrel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Serr?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, while you're ready to go to unmasked, we have a whole box of snacks and we have a little envelope here from a listener.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh!
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it might be from Mary, but I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like it when we get things from Mary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's from Texas, where I bet it's warm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, it'd be nice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It would be...
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[SPEAKER_01]: That blanket's getting real pretty came out like that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost, I have this much to finish the border and then the back of it's going to be backed with flannel and then moving down.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So hopefully it'll be done by tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see you later and we'll catch you on unmasked right after this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got snacks from Germany.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be trying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yay!
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see you there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye!
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[SPEAKER_01]: two electronics technicians, two red masks, one cryptic note.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Men well and Miguel left their families with a lie, climbed a hill in formal attire, and died waiting for something that either never came or arrived exactly as planned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Brazilian authorities never performed a toxicology test, they never identified the capsules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They never pursued the mysterious contact, they simply closed the case,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never know what men well and Miguel were trying to reach that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What signal they were waiting for as the sun set over Neuteroi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What they believed so completely that they climbed that hill swallowed those capsules and put on those masks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some mysteries aren't meant to be solved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're meant to be felt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The lights are dimming, the bunker door is closing, but the mysteries, they're just getting started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Shane Waters, stay curious, stay skeptical, and stay a little bit scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good night, friend.
