Nov. 4, 2025

Theodosia Burr Alston - Aaron Burr's Daughter Vanished at Sea

Theodosia Burr Alston - Aaron Burr's Daughter Vanished at Sea

Aaron Burr's brilliant daughter boarded a ship in 1813 and vanished without a trace. Decades later, her portrait appeared in a tavern. What really happened to Theodosia Burr Alston?

The gang investigates one of early America's most haunting maritime mysteries. Theodosia Burr Alston was no ordinary woman—she was one of the first American women to receive a college-level education, the daughter of Vice President Aaron Burr, and the wife of South Carolina Governor Joseph Alston. But in December 1812, grieving the recent death of her only child, Theodosia made a fateful decision to sail from Georgetown, South Carolina to New York City to reunite with her father.

On December 31st, 1812, she boarded the *Patriot*, a small pilot boat navigating one of the most dangerous stretches of coastline in America—Cape Hatteras, known as the Graveyard of the Atlantic. The British Royal Navy stopped the ship on January 2nd, 1813, examined her papers, and let her continue. That was the last confirmed sighting of Theodosia Burr Alston.

Shane, Josh, and Kim dive into the evidence, the theories, and the legendary deathbed confessions that emerged decades after her disappearance. Was it a storm? Pirates walking her off the plank? Did she die on a beach and get buried by treasure hunters? And what about that mysterious portrait that appeared 56 years later?

Join us as we uncover the truth behind one of history's most enduring mysteries—and discover why the real story of Theodosia Burr Alston might be more tragic than any legend.



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[SPEAKER_03]: Bring it down with him when he comes down to that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That away you're not, don't have it through a three week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the liquor chair for?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just got an invitation for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I found out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that Josh doesn't like when I talk about coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what the name suggests in Jews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like coffee and something else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, enough with that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Josh, I thought to shove it up your ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason I... Yeah, coffee in a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I threw out the coffee name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was because that you had a complaint that we talk about coffee all night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, this is going to give a shout out to that all night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like we are turning on one of those wine and true crime podcasts, acceptance of wine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's coffee, and I'm like no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't be able to have no part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in my defense shot, we first start recording.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I normally am drinking coffee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's why that's how I get to my day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're new or to coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You used to not like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been drinking it since I was 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been a person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a 630 person now and I'm just like, oh, she's like a coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's sometimes what gets me out of bed in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I could sleep another 20 minutes or I could enjoy a nice cup of coffee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to get this out of my head now, Josh, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll not talk about coffee anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I got a new coffee maker, one that grinds coffee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the smell of it, but it's really strong coffee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, people are going to go a little disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like grounds doesn't take nearly as much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I have to add some water to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like grandma yeah, how I could think of every time is our friend Maya in Norway When I would make coffee, I'd always like make it too watery and so I would make it out of our tour I always like just see her give me that eye Give me every morning You did your coffee, you still look like tea Yeah, I mean I feel like I can handle it better

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[SPEAKER_00]: but so I love a good sugar free syrup, but there's a lot of places that just do not do good sugar free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so one of the really really good places is Severn Brew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got their sugar free

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you had Dutch brothers yet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they do a good job too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so those two do a great job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Starbucks is trash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to get their shit together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, have you guys seen their lines?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have one here in town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard several different news outlets say that they're having money problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they closed for $9,00.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so I like to work out a coffee shop, and every once in a while I'll end up at a Starbucks because sometimes smaller coffee shops don't have really good Wi-Fi, and that's like a note out to everyone if you own these places, like, get some good Wi-Fi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Starbucks, you guys, some decent Wi-Fi typically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was at one the other day, and this one, and maybe all of them do now, but if you're there, they'll give you unlimited refills of your coffee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a white chocolate mocha and I just go up there and get a refill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, is that just for like a lot of coffee or is that for me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's little things on the on the tables that said refill your coffee for free while you're here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the place in Maryan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was in Fort Wayne, but I'm sure of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I mean, there was no one in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I remember, even just last year, Starbucks Alliance packed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would be wanting coffee in real quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That one on Miguel, you're in Muncie, had a kind of McDonald's, like, two, yeah, they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, I mean, lines were still out onto Miguel, you're, I mean, blocking everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's because they had a monopolized in months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were the only one in town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how Marion was, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now they have seven brews.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's seven brews in months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're Dutch brothers in months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's actually going to be another seven brews in the gallery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so funny, because Starbucks had one in Marion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They built another one on the other side of Marion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In Marion, it's not a great like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Money town, you know, and so I was like a little odd, you know, and then they put seven brew down by the other Starbucks, and then now they're going to build another separate by the other Starbucks, and I'm like, what's that now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, here's the thing like the Starbucks guy who runs at the CEO, he's a really good business person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But his body wants to be in a union.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so his mind is like, okay, we're struggling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to go back to the mentality of being more like your neighborhood coffee shop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's why he's doing the come in and you can refill your coffee cup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, I think that he's missing out on a huge market and I'm pretending like he's listening to this and I'm speaking directly to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you need to get on this wagon of sugar-free drinks because when I go to a coffee shop and you know I'm spending a lot of money on this coffee drink and we all understand that we need that buzz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get it But also the calorie count is like 700-800 verse a sugar-free drink.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at a hundred and fifty calories and it's just like in the milk that I'm getting

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so that's a huge difference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And people are more aware of the calories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if the taste of the sugar free is a lot better than I'm doing that 100%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I used to have more sugar free options because I would always get a caramel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This sugar-free caramel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they'd done away with the caramel and all they have is the banana oil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I stopped getting like to go coffees because I'm trying to consume my calories with food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't want to just drink empty calories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like half of my daily calorie intake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and so that's why I like seven brew because I can just go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My coffee drink, even though it's a large iced caramel, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still like 150 calories because it's sugar free, but I was at home the other day and I was like me and the creamer I have to use You know, it's packed full of sugar and I've tried every creamer that's sugar free and it's crap

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I start doing some Google searches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See, I don't think it's, I don't think the sugar food is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stand it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I, I guess is because I have been sugar free for so many years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the norm for me and I hate myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hate myself enough to have sugar free creamer, but anyway, so I learned like what type of sorrows, seven brews you using and I ordered something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I also ordered that sugar free version of, uh, not the syrup,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can get sugar free drizzling and why got it and how's what I'm using and it's I'm telling you it's a game changer I mean it's yeah, it's on point, but that's my coffee talk Josh I'm not gonna talk about coffee in this recording and our next one I promise and it's a line right to my If Kim brings it up, I'm gonna throw something at her Oh, I don't forget he wrote he will not talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You never know so

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a little secret.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to do some work the other day and you guys have been talking about Bridgerton all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I started watching the crown right finished it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it seven years too late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I loved it And I'm telling you I was a little surprised that they didn't get into the the Megan and Harriet stuff

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I only have so much time, but true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking for a next season to come out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think they're covered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think since because the last one was before the Queen passed, well, no, it was all I think about the Queen, not, not, you know, the whole role of the family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just about the Queen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the queen had passed when that last episode had aired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was she not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't died yet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she had died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the way came by itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that that's what happened both the way that Kim were to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, so I was also surprised by that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when it ended, I was still doing some work, and it was playing in the background, and Bergerchun randomly started, and just like, I watched the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see that carriage thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the first episode, I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just one of those like 50 shades of gray thing isn't it no and then I thought okay, I get like the historical aspect and I thought it was really interesting and it was fun and unique And it's it's a lot different than the crown because of you know of all of that, but it's still a unique thing and I also watched Queen Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean that was like that one a little bit better just a queen Charlotte's my favorite characters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm in out with another season of Queen Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm uncertain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Bridgetton's new season, so it's in January and February, but I did learn a fun fact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for the balls and stuff, they wear the nicer gowns, but throughout like the day, they'll wear like the white, simple kind of flowy outfits, except that one, Corissa, lady with the crazy hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was actually, because you know, you think of that time era and it was right after the Victorian era and the Victorian era is when they would constantly,

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of bed they were, you know, haltered and garnered and just had the best of the best, but their fashion at that time was right after the French Revolution, and they were inspired by the simple white dresses that like women would wear, as they were going to be guillotined, like I'm wearing it to a net, so that the fashion from that period is guillotined fashion, essentially, just, you know, made a little bit better,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I found that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, God, even short hair after that became a fad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They called it the guillotine haircut because all these people would see like, you know, these wealthy women, they'd had to get their haircut short so that I guess the blade could cut and slice through hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, huh, it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't ever pay the intention to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it just, it never occurred because you know, you think of that time area, you're like, oh, really dressy, high class, like layers, and then in Bridgeton, they're wearing, you know, more white, sheer, simple, then it's guillotine fashion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, did we talk about the crown already?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crack a barrel we did we okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I feel like we talked about the crown, but I don't remember recording about it I thought that what was interesting about the crown was it was hard for me because I know a lot about history An English history always has fascinated me, but it was kind of difficult to like sift through what was accurate And what was like you know drama ties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so a lot of times I was like Googling stuff

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, like one of the things that really shocked me that I was like that could not have happened and I don't think it I don't think it did was when it showed that Diana had met Williams future wife

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that scene, and I was like, ah, see, I don't even remember that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a long time since I've watched the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't even remember that part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you said you watched it like three times, didn't you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could have been rewatching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a lot going on in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and I noticed something different every time I watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but it's been a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I almost saw watching it when they changed actors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't expect it as soon as it like started the next season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like I was a little like a Coleman replacing Claire for way

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how you know, I've seen it a lot when I actually know their name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all the actors and actresses are good, but when you are watching something, and you are just so used to that being them, and then that's not them anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's changed that person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like how in that Harry Potter, the spin-off of words, like the beasts, they changed the Johnny Debt character,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when he got canceled for a minute, they changed that and that froze me off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, that was this new character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was the same thing back in the day when Rose Anne was on when it was still called Rose Anne.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, I think it was Becky was a Becky that they changed changed persons in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Darren and the bewitched, and more recently, they replaced Henry Cavill with the younger ugly him's worth, brother, on the Witcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I ain't watching, although I reason I started watching it, it's because Henry Cavill was in the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about to be, but I'm like, I ain't watching some skinny little witcher who, Miley's ex asshole, who cheated on her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder if they're gonna use like some CGI or something to make him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, from the previews, it's just his little skinny ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like no one likes you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, whoop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi Ruby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, we're recording.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got to make her round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My little Ruby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our little Ruby is joining us to record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Ruby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You gonna come, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you were just saying something that reminded me I was going to tell you about something that oh yeah so you mentioned Rosanne and the conners who was Rosanne's sister what was her name Jackie Jackie you remember the actress yeah she's in that new ed game yes or show so I got about you wanted to do it and I had a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who was the guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who was the actor?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlie, who did not believe me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Kim, have you watched this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I had it playing on the background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm working doing stuff and I'm like, oh, I know a lot about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gain, I'm going to watch this and I started it and it was really interesting because they really sexualize it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it's very sexualized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a male actor with a nice butt and you see it's butt a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just very odd that they...

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just do no problem in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just a story, it's just a weird story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the name of the movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Ed Gain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That Ed Gain story or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a serial killer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Infamous Kim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's it on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like Netflix?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's on that look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to go look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's his Ruby?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching my video,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Charlie Hoon and like you turned on the reason I watched Sons of Anarchy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why else would I watch a biker show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you turned off just in time, Josh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I start watching it and it was, you know, it's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did so you saw her though, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's the reason I start because I like her as an ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I thought she was good too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things, and this is why I turned off because I was not prepared for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing some work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I look up and I'm seeing her boobies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I don't know what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some scene that was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see it her boobies, and I was like Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just not one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've been watching the crown and then I started watching Burgerton, I came across some Victorian era phrases that sound dirty today, but they were completely innocent back then and these are phrases that I just wanted to share with you guys because I thought that they were fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So phrase one was popular in the 1660s to the 1940s and the phrase is knock me up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said that a time machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was popular in Britain, especially in England, widely used in Victorian London.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What it means was to wake someone by knocking at their door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta use to be their alarm clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the literal job of knocker uppers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Professional workers who went door to door tapping on windows with long poles to wake people for their work shifts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The phrase appears frequently in Victorian literature, including Sherlock Holmes stories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to knock you up, Watson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Herman Melvin had used it in Moby Dick in 1851, knocking up a piece of an inhabitant to inquire the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The American slang of meaning of to impregnate emerged around 1813, but remained uncommon while the innocent British meaning persisted well into the 20th century.

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[SPEAKER_02]: interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that's what I like to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wonder, I wonder when it actually changed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when it, yeah, when it fell out of popularity by the 1994, when clocks were readily available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't imagine not having a clock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me, ma'am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like having a trust, I mean, that was a very important job because, you know, all these poor people that couldn't afford a clock had to be at work on time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a, there wasn't a sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, no, you're late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's someone else for a place, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She smells Ziggy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ziggy's always put in his head on my back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a smell, a male dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or she smells decubber.

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[SPEAKER_02]: However, Ziggy was getting in and steals something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the last phrase that I'll give you today, not up to Dick, not doing nothing, so it was popular in the Victorian area documented in 1909.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was popular in England and what it means is not feeling well, unwell or below power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The word Dick in this context referred to a proper

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[SPEAKER_00]: The phrase was documented in James, Reading Ware's authoritative passing English of the Victorian era in 1909.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: MAM.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Ruby has gotten used to now when she is wanting something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She will do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very annoying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks she's the one in charge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it means feeling under the weather.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The slang meaning of dick as a vulgar term for the male anatomy is what started making that fall out of popularity in England.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you guys would enjoy those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I really do enjoy about England

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like words, they're like curse words that we have like the F word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just use like casual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is casual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The C U next Tuesday here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that's the worst thing you could say to a woman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're just like just it's like our shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who decided what words we're going to be bad or when they decided they're just words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's I've only heard men call women that here in America like at the time, you know, they weren't wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like a good bastard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my, I feel like the worst thing you can call a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You bastard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you pet you unmarried child of sin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, hell, now that's the common most kids are born out of wedlock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes me feel like that's the one thing that doesn't make me feel like old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm from the 20th century.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My parents were wed before I was bred.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all should see Emily, she's getting so big.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They went to a Halloween party last night, and they went as grew in vector.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was vector.

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[SPEAKER_03]: grew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want this pickleball me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I've only seen the first one one time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dominions are too much for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See, I think they're cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All she needs is a mustache.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She could have gone as the Lorax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if we can see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that is cute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you dressing up Josh for Halloween?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no plans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Geez, why not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Friday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be getting off work and going home and not leaving the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did go out this Friday night though, I went all the way to Logan's port to a bar slash arcade slash restaurant to listen to one of my friends bands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the last night of their tour was there and my other friends from Muncie went to go there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, it's only 30 minutes from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to, I went mainly to see my friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I sure get what her name is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brittany.

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[SPEAKER_01]: or Jess and Josh, just a band that's what I was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Monterey of Morda is their band.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not music that I normally listen to, but you know, support your friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she did a great job or they all did, but she actually puts on a really good show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She, when Amber passed, they had a candlelight vigil for them at the school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she sang,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, I can't remember what song she said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a gorgeous singer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a Beatles song, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She sings really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The music they do is more of the heavy metal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you know she's very talented at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am impressed not many women singing that genre of music because it's hard for the female voice sometimes to get that low but boy she has a very high and a very low like she just covers all the bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She puts on a good show to spin in her dreadlocks and she wears these big

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, girl, you make me tired and he has sit at hard side or I know her mom, I used to work with her mom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yep, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're going to bark at me again because I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruby, you can come over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her wants a tension.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gets woke up a little bit ago, come here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: take you all nap, take you will see a stuff she will once she gets used to the people being her God, thanks she did, she's recovering, or baby, she's so thank you, that's why I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before I get into my mystery for today, I just wanted to tell you guys that I was looking up some

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[SPEAKER_00]: some fun mysteries that that happened this week or some things that may have been solved some some topics in mystery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to share with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first topic was that some people had used AI to help crack some of the nascolines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this happened on Thursday this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we've covered that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So AI had done what generations of archaeologists haven't been able to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They found 303 hidden nascolines in Peru that were literally invisible to human eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these were, of course, something that Kim has covered before, they're, I think that Warbus pronounced geoglyphs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've been sitting in the desert for centuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're half erased by sand and time which made it hard to see them by by your site even when you're up in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But AI was able to look at photos and maps to be able to tell where they all were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's been able to pick out a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one was on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we could go from today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Archaeologists found something absolutely wild in Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first Egyptian royal inscription ever discovered there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's Pharaoh Ramsey's the third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was him carving his name into a remote desert mountain side over 3,000 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing is in the middle of nowhere near the Saudi border, and it's at a natural spring that's super hard to access, which raises all kinds of questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this a military campaign marker, a trade route checkpoint?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the reason that I marked it was because it was so far away from like where we know the king had, you know, normally it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the idea that they found like him out out there writing his name in such a remote area, I thought that was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They stood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like there's just love to scratch your name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do know what it is around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we found that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, whenever we go to a national park, people just write their names and

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I was a kid, because we always went to Galenburg and Pigeon Forge, which we camped in Pigeon Forge, and right down from where the campground was at, there used to be this old pavilion that just had picnic tables underneath it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't anything elaborate or whatever, and my name wasn't it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's there anymore, but I put my name in it when I was, oh God, probably.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was probably 16 or 17 because I was old enough to run around on my own, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Van Delizza.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever written your name on something Josh?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, nothing you're going to admit to, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a billion, Josh's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can write a name on something next time I see it, but like, I don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've put my initials on a lock at Niagara Falls, a chain link thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I've heard people doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody does that overseas to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's in this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's in Paris.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The lover's bridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On Thursday of this week, it was National Sasquatch Day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, there you go, Kim's wearing a big foot, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, someone actually ranked every state's likelihood of big foot sightings and Idaho came in at number eight with 105 sightings on record and get this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you live in Idaho, you have a 2.1% chance of spotting big foot, which the article that I read hilariously points out is better odds than finding

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The analyzed sightings per population, force coverage, climate conditions, all that data to figure out where you're most likely to encounter encrypted and Idaho made the top 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite part is this quote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigfoot believers remain undeterred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Participants enjoy fresh air, exercise, and the shared human experience of staring at trees for hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's cryptid hunting in a nutshell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Folks optimism, fresh air, and a whole lot of staring at trees hoping something hairy walks by.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In there down there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Josh on a holiday in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to a holiday, and I have pride in myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, there's sometimes that's camping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's camping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's camping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's camping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, nothing's more of a turn on than no one a man has enough money for a nice hotel room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, staying at the mayor yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so for my mystery today, fellas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fellas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fellas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a fella.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're here shorter than mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, ladies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruby, be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know if the only bitch in the room?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just around about women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so in 1869, a doctor in a tiny fishing village on North Carolina's outer banks received an unusual payment from an elderly patient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't money, it was a portrait, a beautiful young woman in a white dress staring directly at whoever looked at her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The patient's story, her dad has been founded in a wrecked ship during the war of 1812,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor showed it around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He showed it to the descendants of one of America's most famous founding families.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them thought they recognized her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the one woman who actually knew her in life, she looked at that portrait and said she couldn't identify the face at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this the Adocia, Burr, Alston?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, I'm checking to make sure I pronounce the name right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I practiced while I was waiting for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The brilliant daughter of Vice President, Aaron Burr, does that name sound familiar, Kim?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who vanished at C and 1813?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that Aaron Burr, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Hamilton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just another mystery layered on top of an already unsolvable disappearance?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well imagine being 11 years old and hosting a dinner party for Thomas Jefferson, not serving dinner, hosting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Leading the conversation, discussing philosophy, Roman history, debating politics with a men who are literally creating the United States of America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the Edocia, Burr's, doesn't the name The Edocia sound made up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I know a lot of women's names back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, dang it, I had a girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, mixed The Edocia with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never let the dad pick the name of the girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Edocia, the Edocia, the Edocia, the Edocia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that was the Adocia Burst childhood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At age 10, she was reading Horace and Terence in the original Latin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go her, Dan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I can even pronounce the names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not translating them for a tutor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Reading them for fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was studying Edward Gibbon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's getting into things that I'm not supposed to be here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come up here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come here, honey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I put her away, she gets really scared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After her surgery, she's at the little nervous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, from her point of view, having surgery at the vet's probably like getting abducted by alien.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your parents drop you off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You go to sleep and wake up like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before that, she liked going to the vet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think now she's going to be like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little traumatizing when they wake up from that anesthesia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a good girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll lay down in a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she was reading all those books for fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was studying Edward Gibbons decline and fall with a Roman Empire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the book that historians used to understand how impires collapse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was just 10 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she was very intelligent and loved to read.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By age 12, the Adocia was fluent in Latin, French, and German.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm barely fluent in English.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She could read Ancient Greek.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She studied mathematics, philosophy, and Roman history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why she's a smart cookie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These weren't subjects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Girls learned in the 1790s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't allowed to learn them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But her father, Aaron Burr, believed something radical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He believed women were just as intellectually capable as men, and he sent out to prove it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Burr based the Adosius education on the writing of Mary Wolston Craft, one of the first feminist philosophers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he gave his daughter the exact same education that he would have given a son.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Language, science, philosophy, mathematics, political theory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She became what one historian later called the first woman in America to have what may be called a college education.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By her early teens, Theodocia was presiding over political dinners at their Richmond Hill, a state in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thomas Jefferson came to those dinners, Alexander Hamilton came.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The man who was shaping American democracy came to dinner at Aaron Burr's house, and were impressed by his teenage daughter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was American democracy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But being Aaron Burst's daughter came with complications.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably know Aaron Burr from the musical Hamilton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The man who killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel, Josh doesn't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because he doesn't like music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He killed him in New Jersey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the history, but not the home to have musical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he killed him in New Jersey on July 11th in 1804.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how most people remember him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I have the play ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So mostly, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be the only part I'd get me clapin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Aaron Burr was also the third vice president of the United States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was brilliant, ambitious, and after his wife died, when the Adocia was 11 years old, his daughter became the most important person in his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They wrote to each other constantly, hundreds of letters, especially during the four years Burr spent in Europe, while trying to escape creditors in scandal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In those letters, Bird didn't talk down to her, he sent her political books, current newspapers, serious analysis of world events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He treated her as his intellectual equal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was more than as daughter she was his confidant, his political advisor and his closest friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Burr wrote to her once, you have provided me a very great portion of the happiness which I have enjoyed in this life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After Burr was tried for treason in 1807, then that's a whole other story involving alleged conspiracies out west.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Adocia traveled to Richmond, Virginia, to support him in court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was socially dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People hated Aaron Burr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she set in that courtroom anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When it was over, Amberr was acquitted, she helped him plan his escape to Europe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of loyalty, that kind of bond between father and daughter, it was extraordinary for the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's extraordinary now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, on 1801, when the Adocia was 17, she married Joseph Auston, Auston, per Auston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Auston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Name sense familiar I've heard it before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a wealthy South Carolina rice planter, which is a polite way of saying he owned and saved people who worked plantations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The marriage was by all accounts, genuinely loving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In May 1802, the Adocia gave birth to a son.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They named him Aaron Burrhausen after her father.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The birth was difficult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really difficult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all were back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It left the Edocia with permanent health problems that doctors at the time couldn't treat or even fully understand, like a prolapseed uterus, that make your uterus hurt just possibly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uterine cancer that developed over the next decade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was left infertile, this would be her only child, and she was in chronic pain for the rest of her life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On June 30, 1812, that son, her only child, died of malaria.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was 10 years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Edocia was devastated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The grief was crushing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She sank into what historical documents clearly describe as severe depression.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wrote desperate letters to her father, who had just returned from European exile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: she hadn't seen him in four years, and she needed him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she couldn't travel, not at first, she was too ill, too grief-stricken, and her husband Joseph couldn't come to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On December 10, 1812, just five months after their son died, Joseph Alston was sworn in as the governor of South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The war of 1812 was raging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: British ships blockaded the entire Atlantic coast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't leave his spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Thiedocia was alone, sick, grieving, separated from the one person who understood her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In late December, she made a decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would go to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would sail to New York to reunite with her father.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a terrible time to travel by sea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Winter, wartime, the British Royal Navy controlled the Atlantic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Theodocia didn't care about the risks she needed to see Erin Burr on December 31, 1812.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She boarded a ship called the Patriot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would never be seen again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was wondering when the mystery was coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the backstory is important to understand what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriot was a pilot boat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Small, fast, designed for speed rather than comfort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It had previously served as a private tier, which means it had hunted British merchant ships during the war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crew had dismounted its guns and painted over identifying marks to disguise it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone knew what this ship was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the British caught them, there would be no mercy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Captain William Overstocks commanded the vessel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With the Edocia, travel Dr. Timothy Green, a physician, Aaron Burr had sent, specifically because of his daughter's failing health.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a maid, whose name history never recorded,

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[SPEAKER_01]: How rude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Governor Joseph Alston had been an office for exactly 21 days when Theodosia left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He secured a letter requesting safe passage through the British blockade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did everything he could to protect her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even he knew this voyage was dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The route from Georgetown, South Carolina to New York meant sailing directly past Cape Hatteris, North Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sailors called it the graveyard of the Atlantic, which is never a place I want to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when places have like these names, I'm not getting on a boat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they weren't exaggerating, over 2,000 ships had wrecked in those waters throughout history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The combination of shoals, currents, and unpredictable weather made Cape haderous one of the deadliest stretches of coastline in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was December, winter, sailing in the Atlantic, during a war in one of the most treacherous areas of the entire eastern

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if that part is like in the bromu to triangle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's closer down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's down towards Florida.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it they had an extending pretty far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at this point, people drawn triangles, whatever, and they call it whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But everything about the voyage was risky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for two days, the Patriot sailed north.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On January 2nd, 1813, somewhere off Cape Hadris, they encountered what they'd been dreading, the British fleet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: British officers boarded the Patriot, the examined the ship's papers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They saw Governor Austin's letter requesting safe passage, and they let the ship go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where the mystery begins, because that is the last confirmed sighting of the Edocia Burr-Alston, Dr. Timothy Green, and everyone else aboard the Patriot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ship never arrived in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in South Carolina, Governor Joseph Alston waited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sent letters to Aaron Burr in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the Adocia arrived, was she safe, no response.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The silence stretched from days and to weeks, from weeks and to months, and from months and to years, neither Aaron Burr nor Joseph Alston ever saw the Adocia again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened to the Patriot?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And over the past two decades, people have come up with approximately 100 different theories ranging from plausible to absolutely wild involving aliens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just thinking, so I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are pirates, storms, British naval attacks, a mutinous crew captured and sold into slavery, held captive on a Caribbean island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all legitimate, like theories, murdered for her jewelry, washed ashore on a beach in North Carolina and left to die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most are complete nonsense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pirate theory comes from a series of deathbed confessions that started appearing in the 1820s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a full decade after the disappearance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Men claimed that they had been pirates who captured the Patriot, murdered everyone aboard and forced the Edocia to walk the plank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's be clear about what deathbed confessions are, their unverifiable stories told by people who are about to die and can never be held accountable for lying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot cross-examine a dead person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't check their story against evidence and in the Adocius case, every single pirate confession contradicts the others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One guy said they captured the ship off Cape Haderus, another said it was near Hilton Head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: once said the idoc was forced to walk the plank, another said she jumped overboard, once said she was wearing a white dress, another said she was in traveling clothes, neither of them agree on basic facts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all those men in prison who claim that they were a serial killer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was me all along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were already in jail one half of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: false confessions that people were give on John Beneir Ramsey, they just with the notoriety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and here's the thing, if pirates had actually captured a ship carrying the daughter of the vice president of the United States and the wife of a sitting governor, they would have been ransom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would have been enormous news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone would have tried to ransom her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone would have bragged about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pirates were not known for their discretion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no contemporary evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No ransom demands, no witnesses, nothing from 1813 itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Only stories that appeared years later when no one could verify them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the same goes for the Bincture's daughter's story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1820, a shunner ran a ground near a nag's head, North Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cruis supposedly total woman named Lovey Wattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You met loving she rattles you see that loving she be wait a little more car Kim that love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Kim Wattle but they told they told a woman named Lovey Wattle that they'd found a dead woman's body in the cabin still wearing expensive jewelry

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[SPEAKER_00]: they buried the body on the beach and they kept the jewelry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: While decades later, Lovey Vidal supposedly told her daughter the story and it got repeated as evidence that the Patriot wrecked and the Adocia died on the beach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the story didn't appear in newspapers and it wasn't documented until the 1870s, which was 60 years after it allegedly happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no contemporary verification, no burial site was ever found, no jewelry ever produced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's folklore, it's a good story, but no evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Nax Head portrait, the one from the opening, that's the one I first started the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the perfect example of how desperately people wanted the mystery to have a dramatic answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1869, 56 years after the Adocia vanished, Dr. William G. Pool received that portrait as payment from an elderly patient named Polyman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said her deceased husband found it floating in a wreckage from a shunner near Kitty Hawk during the War of 1812.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pool showed it to the people who claimed to be the pool family descendants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some said, yes, it looks like her, but here's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 1888, when a bird ascended actually saw the portrait, they said the woman in the painting looked like their family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I want some pringles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to hand them in a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's labeled attributed to the Adocia Braustin, which is a very polite academic way of saying, we're not sure this is her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know him, I'll be her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's what we actually do know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what the evidence actually does support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On January 2nd, 1813, the Patriot was stopped by the British fleet off Cape Haderus, the British logged that encounter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the documented fact that same day a severe storm began.

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[SPEAKER_00]: British Naval logbooks described near horror, near horror came.

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[SPEAKER_00]: girl near her came force winds this is documented fact the storm scattered even the British fleet large experienced warships another documented fact the patriot was a small pilot boat

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[SPEAKER_00]: fast, not built for storm durability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was winter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the graveyard of the Atlantic, where over 2,000 ships had wrecked, and the ship vanished without a trace during a documented storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fade Jensen, the archivist at the South Carolina Historical Society, put it simply.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most historians would have written about Theodocia, seem to agree that a storm was most likely

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Library of Congress in their 2019 overview of the Edocia's life presents the Storm Theory with full supporting documentation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the mystery still remains unsolved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriot has never been found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's been no wreckage, no definite proof.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the woman herself, brilliant, devoted, tragic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's no mystery at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know exactly who she was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what she accomplished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what she meant to the people who loved her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's what makes her disappear and so haunting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We lost someone extraordinary, and all that's left is a painting that might not even be her, stories that probably are true, and the British naval logs documenting a storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes history doesn't give us the endings we want, sometimes the most remarkable people vanish in the most unremarkable circumstances, but that's the story of Theodocia

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[SPEAKER_00]: about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's interesting is I had heard before vaguely about her disappearance but I didn't know much about it and I knew that she was the daughter of Aaron Burr but I didn't know that she was such like a brilliantly minded person and that she had been such like so well educated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially for that time, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and her husband was the governor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's really, quite think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely think it was a storm that got her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that there's I mean really too likely hood to one the British sunk it or two it was a storm but I think the likelihood was that I think I think it was the storm but I mean I don't know maybe the British was like I like that Aaron bar dude that's why I gave the background because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Burr was not liked by the British or the Americans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a lot of Alexander Hamilton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know a lot of times history shows us that people's children are sometimes, oh yeah, I'm going to have to go home now and watch Hamilton because now I got the song running through my head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I don't know any of them did you guys hear that they have found Amelia your hurts playing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were sending people to go see if they could bring it up back up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that when I see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see this on tech talk?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember where I seen it at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, Kim, you need to be careful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure it was a credible news outlet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that so many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard it for the last 50 years, Kim, and I'm not even 50 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what was hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I covered her all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The world will also be in this year's ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was so hard to find, like, factual stuff about her because there's just so many crackpot conspiracy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of websites did this, and now it's, you know, creators, they just want the views and the clicks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's always, sometimes I'll see clips of another, like, content creator who's covering a story that I've already covered before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, like, they're just very vague in the, you know, 30 second video, I see of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to see if I can do that deep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I questioned it when I looked at it, but I thought that it seemed like it was pretty credible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Scientists have confirmed about the lost colony of Roanoke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They said based on genetics from the tribe that was near there that the people of Roanoke just integrated into the native tribe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I love to, I like to believe, and, oh, a cryptid or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A cryptid?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just went and got them some, some friends, and now some natives have blue eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so to end out the episode, I will give you my shipfire story and my shipfire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so we're going to be traveling to June 14th, 2018, and Commerce City, Colorado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a beautiful Thursday afternoon at Pioneer Park, families are enjoying a community event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sun is shining, it's a perfect day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a dust devil, basically, a mini tornado, touches down in the parking lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys have seen these riots in the fields.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now dust devils, they're usually harmless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They spin around, they kick up some dirt, they disappear, no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this one, this one had ambition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's zero-zand on three port of potty's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: West, West, West, West, under an awning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And these aren't lightweight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Each one weighs nearly 300 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going anywhere, except they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The wind gets under that awning, and like a spatula under a pancake, they suddenly throw those porta potty's, and they are airborne.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The doors burst open.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then ship fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The toilet starts spinning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 30 feet into the air, raining down the entire content on the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the terrified families below.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like stained balloons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One witness captured everything on video, liquid, spraying from spinning toilets, people screaming, and diving for cover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One port of potty literally breaks apart mid-flight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a disaster movie, except that a disaster is flying toilets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The miracle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one was seriously hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at least no one is in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Three, 300 pound toilets that are doing aerial aerobatics and spraying their contents everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the only casualties were dignity and picnic lunches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The video did go viral with over 1.3 million views, and one commenter said, I didn't know toilet to fly, and I wish I still didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The more of the story, when the forecast says clear skies in Colorado, hard and far away from the bathrooms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: shit far and save the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's I've seen videos of like construction sites for a forklift drivers, not paying attention accidentally by itself into a port of party with somebody in there and it's spill and that guy just comes out stained blue cover when all kinds of mess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you shower you're still gonna be blue for a week or so because that stuff's

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a portableizer to discuss it and I will not go use a port of potty and I say absolutely I have to be an emergency for me to use a port of potty but can you imagine being an a port of potty and then suddenly you're airborne like new fear unlocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen like a bounce house take off flying but it had even had like a kid in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have heard that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen videos of that, but I've never seen one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not in your thing that you would get burned at least.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you don't fall out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be just terrifying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take off flying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, we were fat children.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why it happened to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like seven and they're like, I think you're over the weight limit of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna flatten it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you need to get out,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys, well that's the end of my episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you follow us on everything and we'll catch you on the unmasked episode right after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a juicy little mystery and some other things that we can talk about over on unmasked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go find some caffeine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not gonna talk about it though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're supposed to get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna put my mask away for fun, about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, done that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a coat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a coat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a coat, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see y'all in mass.

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[UNKNOWN]: Bye.