Sept. 10, 2025
173: The Peculiar Life and Death of Joe Winko - Part 01
Today we cover a strange case. An unusual case. The case of Joe Winko. But who is Joe Winko? Well, pinning him down is a challenge in itself. I’ll try my best. I warn you this episode is going to be unlike any Obscura episode you’ve heard before. But I promise you it will be worth it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome listener.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you're here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Take a seat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Next to the fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Listener, today we cover a strange case, an unusual case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The case of Joe Winco.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Joe Winco lived close to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He lived very close to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back to few streets down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is is when I discovered what happened to him, kind of hit close to home, both figuratively and literally, and it's been on my mind non-stop, so because of this, you're going to get an unusual episode about an unusual person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who was Joe Winco?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, pinning him down is a challenge in itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now try my best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I warn you, this episode is going to be unlike any obscure episode you've heard before, but I promise you, it'll be worth it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't your bog standard true crime that you're used to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a bit out there, Joe Winco was born in 1995, and the state of Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was a native Hawaiian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He later resided with his adoptive parents, relatives, and Florida near the Skyway Bridge and St.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pete.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was described by himself as tall and willowy, with green eyes, he had white brown skin, more red cape, and oddly a red bandana that Joe Winco warn his head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He shaped this bandana into a tall pointy red hat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You really need to see it yourself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On my Patreon, I'm going to include a largest format of Joinko related media in a freely available post for all to check out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As Jo was a strange cat, the visual aids could prove useful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is mentioned numerous times in Joinko's talk videos as well as his Joinko horror films that he has resided in the Dominican Republic at some point in the past with his biological uncle, Romero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get more into that later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Early on, Joe was diagnosed with autism, something that never bothered him, as Joe partly ascribed his eclectic creativity to this disorder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he wore the disorder as a badge of honor, and his YouTube series titled, Autistic Guy Goes To.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The series featured Joe v-logging in various states as he visited all around the United States,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not even talk about Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This video is for Shard and Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got a video for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's for my YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you just talk about, like, a tiny living room?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was just going to explore this town and film some school spots in Shardin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually lived down in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what brought you to Shardin?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, one of my friends lived here and they told me that it was like their favorite town and Shardin on the island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not a time to do, but there's a lot of infrastructure on here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like the main park.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And also because I'm building this town in the Sims 3 for my gaming series on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you like take videos of it and try and like build it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually already started building it, but I haven't got the whole town done yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, by the time I post this video, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like with your videos, you use this a bit?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this specific town I'm building in the Sims, but I do videos in a lot of different states.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I went on a road, but I came from Florida to Virginia on the train.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jit videos, and literally every state between, well, Virginia, Delaware.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I also doubt about New York, Connecticut, New York again, Pennsylvania, and now Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exciting, so you can travel a summer?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As I'm sure you can tell from the video, Joe usually left a great impression on people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he was a strange guy, there's no denying that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But his personality seemed to leap out at people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and in as many recorded interactions with others, Joe seemed to hit it off with everyone he met.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe ain't go had many obsessions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you were listening closely earlier, you'll know Joe mentioned his love of the video game, The Sims.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This may have something to do with this strange pointy bandana he wore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see, in The Sims, player characters tend to have a large pointy glowing green cursor above their head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is just my theory for where Joe may have gone the inspiration from, and is a no way conclusive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another obsession Joinko had was horror movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He seemed to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the genre.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes he combined his love for horror and combined it with the Sims to make his own horror films.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On YouTube, it appears that Jo made over 80 horror movies using the Sims video game and independent voice actors to accomplish this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll play a small clip from one of his movies here now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello Utopia, what's your favorite scary movie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha, very funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just so happened that I'm watching that movie right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who the hell are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the last voice you let her hear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know you and I already don't like you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Many of these videos went viral and chose the Sims horror movies quickly gained a small cult following.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the following clip, Joe talks about his inspiration for these movies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm going to be talking about in this episode, 1% suggested that I should talk about this in my next episode of Joe and Ko-Tok.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What inspired me to make my Sims 1 and Sims 2 horror movies and my grandfifthado horror movies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: as a lot of you should know hopefully my first ever horror movie was made of the Sims 1 and it was called trick or treat and it was about Michael Myers breaking out of the insane asylum and trying to hug me down in murder me and uh
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[SPEAKER_04]: One inspired me to make that was back when I was nine and ten years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, eight, nine years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was on a lot of web forms.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I spend a lot of my days on web forms, posting random stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was on one fan story web form for horror movies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I typed up a story about Michael Myers breaking out the Asanis Island and murdering my entire adopted family and then trying to tell me, but then I stopped them at the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I posted that one and a lot of people are reading it and a lot of them were shocked that I wrote it because I was eight years old when I wrote that story.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this one person message me and said that they thought my war stories I was writing, my fan fiction, because that's what it's called when you write a war story about some other horror movie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They thought my fan fiction were really creative and they thought that I should make them into real videos.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was saying really how am I going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've only touched a surface when it comes to Joe's various obsessions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some others include true crime, grave visiting, morbid tourism, and the cartoon Ed Ed and Eddie, and unhealthy obsession for Joe Winkham, was his childhood.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He experienced a lot of traumatic events.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These events would come to define much of his life, and in form many of the decisions he made.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The following is Joe Winkham, talking about the bullying he experienced in his first grade year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to me completely honest with you guys, the bad memories kind of outweigh the good memories.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always try to be positive about this kind of stuff, but in this case, it's a little difficult.
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[SPEAKER_04]: To start with, one of the worst memories I have of St.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cherries was my first grade teacher.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was literally the worst first grade teacher.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Literally the worst teacher I've ever had in my whole entire life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Her name, her name was Mrs. Latis, and she was an old lady with a southern accent who was really mean to everyone, especially me, she did not like me at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a mild, as you all know, I have a mild form of autism, and I actually have that my whole entire life, but it was undiagnosed back then.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I would often misunderstand things, and
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[SPEAKER_04]: when she like would give directions, I'd miss and interpret them and accidentally make a mistake and mess up and she would always always call me out on those mistakes and she'd always humiliate me in front of everyone she said, oh Joe, you did this wrong, you're not listening, are you stupid?
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[SPEAKER_04]: you must be really stupid if you couldn't understand what I'm saying now I was only six or seven years old back then I didn't know that a teacher could get in trouble for saying any of that
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[SPEAKER_04]: but she kind of knew that and she would took advantage of that, she'd always humiliate me and bash me in front of the classroom and she'd always write my name on the board all the time just to humiliate me and I just felt I'd always cry every single time I had to go back to her class and go back to school
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[SPEAKER_04]: There was another boy in my class, my first grade class, his name was Kurt, and he, when I was in first grade, and because as you all know, I had like premature growth, a premature growth problem back then, I was five feet tall when I was in first grade, and he was like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Probably a three foot eight three foot six, so he was almost like literally half my size He would always bully me, but everyone always thought that I was bullying him because when whenever everyone was around He'd always act nice and say, oh Joe, I want to sit next to you in class I want to sit next to you at lunch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to play outside of you and be your friend But whenever he was with me, he'd always bully me and make fun of how stupid I was if you would say Mrs. Lattis is right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hate you, Joe, and he'd always bully me and no one
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[SPEAKER_04]: No first grader wants to hear all that, so I always tried keeping my distance from him, and when Mrs. Latis would make me sit by him during class, she knew that he was bullying me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She did, and I'd always say, I don't want to sit next to him because he's really mean.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then he'd get all sad, he'd pretend to cry and everything he says.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She always was making a blinds about me, and then Mrs. Latis would always yell at me for it, and she'd go like, how dare you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He wants to be your friend and you're being so mean to him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he was bullying me the whole entire time and and she knew it was going on back then I wasn't smart enough to know that she knew it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought she really didn't know that he was bullying me But now I know that she did know he was bullying me and she got I don't know what the hell her problem was Somehow she got off on it that I was saying that I was suffering so much and that was miserable so much during the my first grade school year
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe's mother died from a drug overdose in December 1995.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Two weeks after Joe and his brother were born.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now long after his mother died, Joe's biological father attempted to kill him and his twin brother and a drug-fueled psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His brother was killed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe, of course, survived.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his father was sentenced to prison.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, listen to her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Prison isn't kind of child killers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always, the thing was, I always knew that they weren't my biological parents and usually children who are adopted or able to tell this that they're not with their biological parents, they're able to sense that for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always knew that they weren't mine and another thing I kind of always knew was that I never was going to find my biological parents because I always kind of sense that they
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[SPEAKER_04]: really.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is kind of depressing, but that's what I always felt really.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I never knew what happened to them, and I never even knew that I had a twin brother until much later on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I lived to find out if parents and the outskirts of Wisconsin, that's where I spent most of my life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, not the outskirts of Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The outskirts of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, that's the largest city in the state of Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I never lived in the city in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always lived in one of the villages in the outskirts of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in case you're wondering.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Me and my doctor's parents were never close at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My doctor's mother was actually abusive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She never slapped me hard enough to leave a bruise, but she always would.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was always really bitchy and always really controlling, and she was,
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[SPEAKER_04]: She is emotionally and physically abusive really really like she'd always would slap me around whenever I said something she didn't like it all and people always tell me oh well, that's not abuse and I said well, what if I slapped you in the face for saying something that I didn't like it all I get in trouble for that
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[SPEAKER_04]: my adoptive parents had disgusting with me and they told me that my biological they told me everything about what happened with my biological parents and my uncle Romaria who I was sent to live with shortly after that confirmed all of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But between that I was also living in Canada from January of 2006 like late January of 2006 to May of 2006.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Canada was really nice as the west coast to Canada.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing was, I never really talk about this very often, but the reason why I went back to the USA is because my friend, my only friend who I had in Canada was murdered, and I never really had the guts to discuss that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always planned about talking about it in an episode, Joe and Koutok, but I was only 10 years old
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[SPEAKER_04]: really don't want to get into detail on that because it's extremely painful to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But after that happened in May of 2006, things got really out of hand and I couldn't live with my I couldn't live up and can't at any more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and they sent me back to Wisconsin to live my adopted parents, and I didn't know about my twin brother, his name was Crystal, that's what they said his name was, that's what my uncle told me, his name was, it kind of took a toll on me afterwards, like in 2011-ish.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In October of 2007, I met this really fucked up person on my space and it didn't really go so well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I was looking for friends on my space and this guy was like psycho-path and I was injured really badly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't feel safe from Wisconsin anymore, and I really wanted to get out and leave, like I wouldn't even leave my bedroom at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what ended up happening was my adoptive parents, they sent me to the Dominican Republic to live with my biological uncle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I absolutely love the Dominican Republic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was beautiful there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We lived on the eastern side of the Dominican Republic, but we didn't live in like an urban area.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a rural area out in the middle of nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I lived there with my uncle, Mario, and he had this huge house out in the Dominican Republic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he was the only biological relative I ever knew.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And me and him were best friends.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I was literally with him every single day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was really just me and him every single day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He went into a coma, due to brain cancer, in January of 2010, I moved in with him in December of 2007, but in January of 2010 he went into brain cancer, and I had to go back to Wisconsin because I couldn't stay there by myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In spring of 1996, Joe was adopted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: After his uncle died from brain cancer, Joe found himself moving back in with his adoptive parents.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was an ideal, as Joe found his adoptive mother to be abusive, and years away didn't prove things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, then the summer of 2016, Joe described the living arrangement as hell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He described his adoptive mother as, worse than ever, and she viewed Joe's autism diagnosis as an excuse for his peculiar behavior, things soon spiraled out of control, with Joe alluding to getting physical with his mother, whenever she would get physical with him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The living situation was irreparable, but Joe, with his various disabilities and quirks, was unable to earn for himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This led to dark thoughts creeping in,
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing is, what I noticed is most like normal-minded people, when they're angry about their parents abusing them, they take it out on other people, however, because of my autism.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't take out anger on other people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I take it out on the source of where it came from.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the reason why me and my adopted parents couldn't live together because they're the ones who abused me back and I was a little kid and I was taking it out on them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and it got really out of hand one day and a lot of messed up stuff happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So then that's when they put me out into my own apartment for a year when I was 20 years old in West Dallas, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't West Dallas, Wisconsin, and I've been to West Dallas many times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't like it was like super far away from where I used to live.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just really hated Wisconsin and I just hated
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to find someone to live with, who lived down south, because I always want to live down south, but I was really trying to find was a lover of partner, who lived down south, who would have me come live of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But obviously, that did not work out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just kept running into a bunch of goons and a bunch of backstabbers as I explained, like my self-care line of backstabbers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then eventually what happened was I just kind of gave up on everything and I just didn't care at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't want to die in the state of Wisconsin because I hated Wisconsin and I want to leave there forever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And as I explained in one of my other episodes of Joe Winko Talk, I was a psychic told me that I was supposed to die in a forest in North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a whole nother long story.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What ended up happening was like, basically what she said was there's this guy who I was talking to online, he knew that I didn't want to die in Wisconsin, so what he was going to do was he was going to come to Wisconsin pick me up and then leave me in a forest in North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't tell anyone about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then later on, what I thought was going to happen was I was going to die of my type 1 diabetes and I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes while I was living in the Domek in her public when I was 12 years old in February 2008, that's what I thought was going to happen because if I would have became homeless, I would have had no way to get insulin and plus my adoptive parents, they were paying for my apartment while I was living in Wisconsin and West Dallas, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: but they said that after my apartment lease expires, that they're not going to pay for it anymore, and then I'm going to be out on my own and out on the streets.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then afterwards, when the guy took me to see the psychic and the psychic told me how I was going to die out in the forest, she said that I was going to die and extremely violent death.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She said, I wasn't going to get murdered by anyone or anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I never told anyone that I was planning on running off to the forest in North Carolina, but after she told me that I couldn't really keep it to myself and I started typing
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[SPEAKER_04]: The only reason why that didn't happen was one of my doctor's parents relatives and just finding that and right away they knew it was from me and then they taught my doctor's parents about it and my doctor's parents are super religious.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and they believed that if I would have been left out in the forest for dead because they allowed me to become homeless and if I would have died out in the forest, God would have been very angry with them and he would have punished them for it and sent them to hell for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They explained this to me many times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the only reason why they sent me down south to live with their relatives because they really didn't care about me dying in the forest at all as they explained to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: numerous times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And on October 4th, 2017, they dropped me off down south to live with bare relatives.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now we live in this, now I live in this huge mansion down south.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the strange thing is, when I adopt a parent's relatives, they're not really mean at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I rarely ever see them at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But they keep all the hallways and the doors locked up and I can't get into them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I never even been
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to go around through the back and there's like this small hallway that I go through and that's where they have the this room.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a corridor outside that door that leads to a bathroom with a shower and which leads to a place where a spare stove and a spare microwave and a spare gear is where I'm at now and I definitely definitely feel that I'm living on borrowed time and I have no idea where I'm going to go next because
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[SPEAKER_04]: I told my life story to other people and they said, oh, notice how you always keep going back to Wisconsin?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I can't go back to Wisconsin now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing back there for me to go to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I told that to one person and he actually started laughing at me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, what's so funny about that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing funny about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's it for part one of this two part series.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In our story, Joe has touched down in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The last day he'll live in before his ultimate end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In part two, we'll conclude his story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thank you for listening and keep the fire burning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome listener.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you're here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Take a seat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Next to the fire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Listener, today we cover a strange case, an unusual case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The case of Joe Winco.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, Joe Winco lived close to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He lived very close to me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Back to few streets down.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is is when I discovered what happened to him, kind of hit close to home, both figuratively and literally, and it's been on my mind non-stop, so because of this, you're going to get an unusual episode about an unusual person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who was Joe Winco?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, pinning him down is a challenge in itself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now try my best.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I warn you, this episode is going to be unlike any obscure episode you've heard before, but I promise you, it'll be worth it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't your bog standard true crime that you're used to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a bit out there, Joe Winco was born in 1995, and the state of Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was a native Hawaiian.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He later resided with his adoptive parents, relatives, and Florida near the Skyway Bridge and St.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Pete.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was described by himself as tall and willowy, with green eyes, he had white brown skin, more red cape, and oddly a red bandana that Joe Winco warn his head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He shaped this bandana into a tall pointy red hat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You really need to see it yourself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On my Patreon, I'm going to include a largest format of Joinko related media in a freely available post for all to check out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As Jo was a strange cat, the visual aids could prove useful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is mentioned numerous times in Joinko's talk videos as well as his Joinko horror films that he has resided in the Dominican Republic at some point in the past with his biological uncle, Romero.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get more into that later.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Early on, Joe was diagnosed with autism, something that never bothered him, as Joe partly ascribed his eclectic creativity to this disorder.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, he wore the disorder as a badge of honor, and his YouTube series titled, Autistic Guy Goes To.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The series featured Joe v-logging in various states as he visited all around the United States,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not even talk about Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This video is for Shard and Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got a video for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's for my YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you just talk about, like, a tiny living room?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I was just going to explore this town and film some school spots in Shardin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually lived down in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what brought you to Shardin?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, one of my friends lived here and they told me that it was like their favorite town and Shardin on the island.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not a time to do, but there's a lot of infrastructure on here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love it too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I like the main park.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And also because I'm building this town in the Sims 3 for my gaming series on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you like take videos of it and try and like build it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I actually already started building it, but I haven't got the whole town done yet.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, by the time I post this video, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like with your videos, you use this a bit?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this specific town I'm building in the Sims, but I do videos in a lot of different states.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I went on a road, but I came from Florida to Virginia on the train.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jit videos, and literally every state between, well, Virginia, Delaware.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I also doubt about New York, Connecticut, New York again, Pennsylvania, and now Ohio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exciting, so you can travel a summer?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: As I'm sure you can tell from the video, Joe usually left a great impression on people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he was a strange guy, there's no denying that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But his personality seemed to leap out at people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and in as many recorded interactions with others, Joe seemed to hit it off with everyone he met.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe ain't go had many obsessions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you were listening closely earlier, you'll know Joe mentioned his love of the video game, The Sims.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This may have something to do with this strange pointy bandana he wore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You see, in The Sims, player characters tend to have a large pointy glowing green cursor above their head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is just my theory for where Joe may have gone the inspiration from, and is a no way conclusive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Another obsession Joinko had was horror movies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He seemed to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the genre.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes he combined his love for horror and combined it with the Sims to make his own horror films.
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[SPEAKER_03]: On YouTube, it appears that Jo made over 80 horror movies using the Sims video game and independent voice actors to accomplish this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll play a small clip from one of his movies here now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello Utopia, what's your favorite scary movie?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha, very funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just so happened that I'm watching that movie right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who the hell are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the last voice you let her hear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know you and I already don't like you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Many of these videos went viral and chose the Sims horror movies quickly gained a small cult following.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In the following clip, Joe talks about his inspiration for these movies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm going to be talking about in this episode, 1% suggested that I should talk about this in my next episode of Joe and Ko-Tok.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What inspired me to make my Sims 1 and Sims 2 horror movies and my grandfifthado horror movies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: as a lot of you should know hopefully my first ever horror movie was made of the Sims 1 and it was called trick or treat and it was about Michael Myers breaking out of the insane asylum and trying to hug me down in murder me and uh
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[SPEAKER_04]: One inspired me to make that was back when I was nine and ten years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, eight, nine years old.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was on a lot of web forms.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's how I spend a lot of my days on web forms, posting random stuff.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was on one fan story web form for horror movies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I typed up a story about Michael Myers breaking out the Asanis Island and murdering my entire adopted family and then trying to tell me, but then I stopped them at the end.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I posted that one and a lot of people are reading it and a lot of them were shocked that I wrote it because I was eight years old when I wrote that story.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And this one person message me and said that they thought my war stories I was writing, my fan fiction, because that's what it's called when you write a war story about some other horror movie.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They thought my fan fiction were really creative and they thought that I should make them into real videos.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was saying really how am I going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We've only touched a surface when it comes to Joe's various obsessions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some others include true crime, grave visiting, morbid tourism, and the cartoon Ed Ed and Eddie, and unhealthy obsession for Joe Winkham, was his childhood.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He experienced a lot of traumatic events.
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[SPEAKER_03]: These events would come to define much of his life, and in form many of the decisions he made.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The following is Joe Winkham, talking about the bullying he experienced in his first grade year.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But to me completely honest with you guys, the bad memories kind of outweigh the good memories.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always try to be positive about this kind of stuff, but in this case, it's a little difficult.
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[SPEAKER_04]: To start with, one of the worst memories I have of St.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Cherries was my first grade teacher.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was literally the worst first grade teacher.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Literally the worst teacher I've ever had in my whole entire life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Her name, her name was Mrs. Latis, and she was an old lady with a southern accent who was really mean to everyone, especially me, she did not like me at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have a mild, as you all know, I have a mild form of autism, and I actually have that my whole entire life, but it was undiagnosed back then.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I would often misunderstand things, and
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[SPEAKER_04]: when she like would give directions, I'd miss and interpret them and accidentally make a mistake and mess up and she would always always call me out on those mistakes and she'd always humiliate me in front of everyone she said, oh Joe, you did this wrong, you're not listening, are you stupid?
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[SPEAKER_04]: you must be really stupid if you couldn't understand what I'm saying now I was only six or seven years old back then I didn't know that a teacher could get in trouble for saying any of that
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[SPEAKER_04]: but she kind of knew that and she would took advantage of that, she'd always humiliate me and bash me in front of the classroom and she'd always write my name on the board all the time just to humiliate me and I just felt I'd always cry every single time I had to go back to her class and go back to school
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[SPEAKER_04]: There was another boy in my class, my first grade class, his name was Kurt, and he, when I was in first grade, and because as you all know, I had like premature growth, a premature growth problem back then, I was five feet tall when I was in first grade, and he was like,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Probably a three foot eight three foot six, so he was almost like literally half my size He would always bully me, but everyone always thought that I was bullying him because when whenever everyone was around He'd always act nice and say, oh Joe, I want to sit next to you in class I want to sit next to you at lunch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to play outside of you and be your friend But whenever he was with me, he'd always bully me and make fun of how stupid I was if you would say Mrs. Lattis is right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I hate you, Joe, and he'd always bully me and no one
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[SPEAKER_04]: No first grader wants to hear all that, so I always tried keeping my distance from him, and when Mrs. Latis would make me sit by him during class, she knew that he was bullying me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She did, and I'd always say, I don't want to sit next to him because he's really mean.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then he'd get all sad, he'd pretend to cry and everything he says.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She always was making a blinds about me, and then Mrs. Latis would always yell at me for it, and she'd go like, how dare you?
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[SPEAKER_04]: He wants to be your friend and you're being so mean to him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But he was bullying me the whole entire time and and she knew it was going on back then I wasn't smart enough to know that she knew it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought she really didn't know that he was bullying me But now I know that she did know he was bullying me and she got I don't know what the hell her problem was Somehow she got off on it that I was saying that I was suffering so much and that was miserable so much during the my first grade school year
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe's mother died from a drug overdose in December 1995.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Two weeks after Joe and his brother were born.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now long after his mother died, Joe's biological father attempted to kill him and his twin brother and a drug-fueled psychosis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: His brother was killed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe, of course, survived.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And his father was sentenced to prison.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, listen to her.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Prison isn't kind of child killers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always, the thing was, I always knew that they weren't my biological parents and usually children who are adopted or able to tell this that they're not with their biological parents, they're able to sense that for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always knew that they weren't mine and another thing I kind of always knew was that I never was going to find my biological parents because I always kind of sense that they
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[SPEAKER_04]: really.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It is kind of depressing, but that's what I always felt really.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I never knew what happened to them, and I never even knew that I had a twin brother until much later on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, I lived to find out if parents and the outskirts of Wisconsin, that's where I spent most of my life.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, not the outskirts of Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The outskirts of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, that's the largest city in the state of Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I never lived in the city in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always lived in one of the villages in the outskirts of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in case you're wondering.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Me and my doctor's parents were never close at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My doctor's mother was actually abusive.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She never slapped me hard enough to leave a bruise, but she always would.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She was always really bitchy and always really controlling, and she was,
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[SPEAKER_04]: She is emotionally and physically abusive really really like she'd always would slap me around whenever I said something she didn't like it all and people always tell me oh well, that's not abuse and I said well, what if I slapped you in the face for saying something that I didn't like it all I get in trouble for that
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[SPEAKER_04]: my adoptive parents had disgusting with me and they told me that my biological they told me everything about what happened with my biological parents and my uncle Romaria who I was sent to live with shortly after that confirmed all of it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But between that I was also living in Canada from January of 2006 like late January of 2006 to May of 2006.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Canada was really nice as the west coast to Canada.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing was, I never really talk about this very often, but the reason why I went back to the USA is because my friend, my only friend who I had in Canada was murdered, and I never really had the guts to discuss that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I always planned about talking about it in an episode, Joe and Koutok, but I was only 10 years old
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[SPEAKER_04]: really don't want to get into detail on that because it's extremely painful to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But after that happened in May of 2006, things got really out of hand and I couldn't live with my I couldn't live up and can't at any more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and they sent me back to Wisconsin to live my adopted parents, and I didn't know about my twin brother, his name was Crystal, that's what they said his name was, that's what my uncle told me, his name was, it kind of took a toll on me afterwards, like in 2011-ish.
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[SPEAKER_04]: In October of 2007, I met this really fucked up person on my space and it didn't really go so well.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I was looking for friends on my space and this guy was like psycho-path and I was injured really badly.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't feel safe from Wisconsin anymore, and I really wanted to get out and leave, like I wouldn't even leave my bedroom at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And what ended up happening was my adoptive parents, they sent me to the Dominican Republic to live with my biological uncle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I absolutely love the Dominican Republic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was beautiful there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We lived on the eastern side of the Dominican Republic, but we didn't live in like an urban area.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It was like a rural area out in the middle of nowhere.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I lived there with my uncle, Mario, and he had this huge house out in the Dominican Republic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And he was the only biological relative I ever knew.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And me and him were best friends.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I was literally with him every single day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was really just me and him every single day.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He went into a coma, due to brain cancer, in January of 2010, I moved in with him in December of 2007, but in January of 2010 he went into brain cancer, and I had to go back to Wisconsin because I couldn't stay there by myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In spring of 1996, Joe was adopted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: After his uncle died from brain cancer, Joe found himself moving back in with his adoptive parents.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This was an ideal, as Joe found his adoptive mother to be abusive, and years away didn't prove things.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, then the summer of 2016, Joe described the living arrangement as hell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He described his adoptive mother as, worse than ever, and she viewed Joe's autism diagnosis as an excuse for his peculiar behavior, things soon spiraled out of control, with Joe alluding to getting physical with his mother, whenever she would get physical with him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The living situation was irreparable, but Joe, with his various disabilities and quirks, was unable to earn for himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This led to dark thoughts creeping in,
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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing is, what I noticed is most like normal-minded people, when they're angry about their parents abusing them, they take it out on other people, however, because of my autism.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't take out anger on other people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I take it out on the source of where it came from.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the reason why me and my adopted parents couldn't live together because they're the ones who abused me back and I was a little kid and I was taking it out on them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and it got really out of hand one day and a lot of messed up stuff happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So then that's when they put me out into my own apartment for a year when I was 20 years old in West Dallas, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't West Dallas, Wisconsin, and I've been to West Dallas many times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't like it was like super far away from where I used to live.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just really hated Wisconsin and I just hated
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[SPEAKER_04]: I was trying to find someone to live with, who lived down south, because I always want to live down south, but I was really trying to find was a lover of partner, who lived down south, who would have me come live of them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But obviously, that did not work out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just kept running into a bunch of goons and a bunch of backstabbers as I explained, like my self-care line of backstabbers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then eventually what happened was I just kind of gave up on everything and I just didn't care at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't want to die in the state of Wisconsin because I hated Wisconsin and I want to leave there forever.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And as I explained in one of my other episodes of Joe Winko Talk, I was a psychic told me that I was supposed to die in a forest in North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's a whole nother long story.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What ended up happening was like, basically what she said was there's this guy who I was talking to online, he knew that I didn't want to die in Wisconsin, so what he was going to do was he was going to come to Wisconsin pick me up and then leave me in a forest in North Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't tell anyone about that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then later on, what I thought was going to happen was I was going to die of my type 1 diabetes and I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes while I was living in the Domek in her public when I was 12 years old in February 2008, that's what I thought was going to happen because if I would have became homeless, I would have had no way to get insulin and plus my adoptive parents, they were paying for my apartment while I was living in Wisconsin and West Dallas, Wisconsin.
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[SPEAKER_04]: but they said that after my apartment lease expires, that they're not going to pay for it anymore, and then I'm going to be out on my own and out on the streets.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But then afterwards, when the guy took me to see the psychic and the psychic told me how I was going to die out in the forest, she said that I was going to die and extremely violent death.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She said, I wasn't going to get murdered by anyone or anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I never told anyone that I was planning on running off to the forest in North Carolina, but after she told me that I couldn't really keep it to myself and I started typing
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[SPEAKER_04]: The only reason why that didn't happen was one of my doctor's parents relatives and just finding that and right away they knew it was from me and then they taught my doctor's parents about it and my doctor's parents are super religious.
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[SPEAKER_04]: and they believed that if I would have been left out in the forest for dead because they allowed me to become homeless and if I would have died out in the forest, God would have been very angry with them and he would have punished them for it and sent them to hell for it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They explained this to me many times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the only reason why they sent me down south to live with their relatives because they really didn't care about me dying in the forest at all as they explained to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: numerous times.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And on October 4th, 2017, they dropped me off down south to live with bare relatives.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And now we live in this, now I live in this huge mansion down south.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And the strange thing is, when I adopt a parent's relatives, they're not really mean at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I rarely ever see them at all.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But they keep all the hallways and the doors locked up and I can't get into them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I never even been
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[SPEAKER_04]: I have to go around through the back and there's like this small hallway that I go through and that's where they have the this room.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's a corridor outside that door that leads to a bathroom with a shower and which leads to a place where a spare stove and a spare microwave and a spare gear is where I'm at now and I definitely definitely feel that I'm living on borrowed time and I have no idea where I'm going to go next because
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[SPEAKER_04]: I told my life story to other people and they said, oh, notice how you always keep going back to Wisconsin?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I can't go back to Wisconsin now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing back there for me to go to.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I told that to one person and he actually started laughing at me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, what's so funny about that?
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing funny about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's it for part one of this two part series.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In our story, Joe has touched down in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The last day he'll live in before his ultimate end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In part two, we'll conclude his story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thank you for listening and keep the fire burning.
