Sept. 17, 2025
174: The Peculiar Life and Death of Joe Winko - Part 02
Today we cover a strange case. An unusual case. The case of Joe Winko. But who is Joe Winko? Well, pinning him down is a challenge in itself. I’ll try my best. I warn you this episode is going to be unlike any Obscura episode you’ve heard before. But I promise you it will be worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome listener.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take a seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to the fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listener, in part one of this two-part series, I introduced you to Joe Winco, then a centric man with many obsessions and a growing fascination with the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this episode, we reach Joe Winco's end, but not before we continue his story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned before in the first episode that this is a subject in case and person that has affected me on a personal level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lived right down the road for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he seemed like a strange but good-natured guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But back to the main story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joinko's morbid preoccupations continue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His grave visits increased.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oftentimes, he would meet fans or men through dating apps, who would take Joe on a road trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was essential to his hobby because Joe couldn't monetize his YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In one video, Joe took the time to explain why he visits graves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This episode of Joinko Talk is going to be about why I do videos of me leaving flowers by people's graves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So those of you who've been following me for a while would realize this, I actually do a lot of videos of me leaving flowers by people's graves, mainly people who I've thread about online because I read a lot about deceased people online all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always think it's sad when a person dies, almost always think it's sad when a person dies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always believed in the term, do on to others as they do on to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As in, if I ended up dying, I would want someone to do a video of them leaving flowers by my grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you who don't know, I always wanted half of my ashes scattered into the Ohio River Preferably in Louisville, Kentucky, because that's a river that I'm spiritually connected to, but anywhere along the Ohio River would be fine That's why in every single video that I have of me being driven over the Ohio River You hear that gloomy piano song playing in the background
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's because that's where I want my ashes to be scattered into the Ohio River.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also wanted half of my ashes buried in a cemetery in Ocala, Florida, because that's a town that I always wanted to live in, and a town that I always been obsessed with, especially since I wrote a piano song about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also the reason why is because I did want to have a grave so people could come visit my grave and leave flowers by my grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just don't smile if you're doing videos at my grave though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're talking about a happy memory, because whenever I do a grave video, I never smile in any of my grave videos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless I'm talking about a happy memory that I have with a person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but literally almost all of them are people who I've never met before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it would be really messed up to smile on someone's grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always try to talk in a monotone, kind of like how I'm talking now, because I don't want to talk in a happy, excited voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that would be really messed up honestly, but I always make sure to talk in a monotone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if anyone actually noticed this, but the color of the flowers I leave on the person's grave depends on the person who's grave I'm visiting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if the deceased person's grave I'm visiting is a female, a female of any age, then I basically leave almost any color of
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never leave a red flower on a female's grave at all, but any other color except red.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Usually pink, if it's a white female, and purple, if it's an African-American female, or yellow, if it's an African-American female.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But to be completely honest, I don't really follow that specific rule very often.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, if the deceased person whose grave I'm visiting is a male
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[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't an adult at the time of their death, then I leave a red flower by their grave that's not a rose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, if the deceased person who's grave I'm visiting is actually an adult male, then I leave a red rose on his grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, there is one more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm visiting the grave of someone
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I leave a black flower on their grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the people who who's graves I'm visiting, most of them are buried really far away from where I live.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I always have to like hit your eye to get to their grave and leave a flower by their grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason why I do that is because I feel sorry for that person and I never want them to be forgotten at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listener, the thing worth keeping in mind is that Joe wasn't visiting these graves for attention or money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, while he visited the graves of popular names like Gabby Petito, he seemed to travel the country visiting these sites due to a mixture of empathy, relating what he saw as a sort of spiritual bond, and let's face it, pure morbid fascination, and a, who are we to judge?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's one more thing that made me really angry once.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's actually this whole thread started about me on Kiwi Farms and people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Kiwi Farms is actually supposed to be like a hate site or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the people on Kiwi Farms, they're actually always nice when they talk about me, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They actually, I mean, yeah, they do make fun of me, but it's not for anything like extremely harsh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They actually like all my stuff, and they think it's funny and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember, I think there is this one person who probably saw my post on Kiwi Farms, or I mean, the post about me on Kiwi Farms or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they did a live stream reacting to some of my videos like the videos of me leaving flowers by people's graves and everything And they were like really upset and about it for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said, why are you wearing that weird costume at the grave?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, does it matter what costume you wear at the grave?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not making fun of the person or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The costume represents me not them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, gosh
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then I started reading the comments on their live stream that they did reacting to my video, and there was one thing that the people were saying that really pissed me off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one comment that they all were typing is they were typing in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he isn't making any money off of his grave visiting videos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In that pissed me off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that they seriously thought that I was going to these people's graves just for money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It actually always pisses me off when people think that I make money off my YouTube videos, because the truth is I do not, and I do not want to either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I make my YouTube videos to share what goes on inside my autism mind because I feel like someone would actually find it interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the major reason is to get my thoughts and share what goes on inside my autism mind and leave my mark on this world because one day I'll be dead and I just want to make sure there's something left of me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the more crackpot ideas I have about true crime, morbid subjects, and exploring the abyss in general, is that this all comes at a cost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see, listener, you can put whatever you like into your noggin, but you will never get to choose what you take out of your mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All these morbid interests began to take a toll on Joe Winkle, and sometimes, at night, Joe was visited by the dead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: really freaked me out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if any of you guys ever had sleep paralysis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really remember much of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just remember being really freaked out and terrified and I did see my biological father.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I turned down all the lights in my apartment because it freaked me out a lot and what I remember
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was sitting in that chair, right now I'm in my bed right now, but he was sitting in that chair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And usually when I see him and my sleep paralysis nightmares, I can't, he's like covered in shadow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't see him, like sometimes I can see a part of him, like he's wearing, he wears a prison jumpsuit, because he died in prison.
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[SPEAKER_03]: he was wearing the present jumpsuit and he was staring me right in the eye and um whenever I see him he he's usually always really angry and really pissed off but when I saw him this time he wasn't he wasn't mad he was smiling
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[SPEAKER_03]: and he looked so evil, and it freaked me out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I only remember looking at him for a couple seconds, and then I just woke up screaming, and it was terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever Joe experienced an episode of sleep paralysis, it was always accompanied by the sound of running water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There in his bedroom would stand the gloomy visage of some more so, from Joe's memory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His father, his best friend, his brother, his uncle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course the victims from the grave sites he visited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of this was enjoyable to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he found it terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever we were to sleep paralysis up so tap, and I'd start hearing this noise in the sound.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I heard this when I was younger, like really young, let five, six or seven before sleep paralysis, I'd always get freaked out for some reason, and I'd start crying, and I get really scared.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This noise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That sound effect is actually the sound of water coming from a drain, and when I was really young, I didn't know why, but whenever I'd hear that, like if my mom was my adoptive mom was washing dishes, and I heard that sound, and she always wanted me to try washing the dishes, but I could not stand it, because I did not, I could not stand the noise of water that water running back in those little, when I feel the water and it's so gloomy
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially knowing that that's how my twin brother died, he was drowned in a sink by his own father.
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[SPEAKER_02]: During my sleep paralysis, up so it's like starting hearing the water running, I'd see my adoptive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not my adoptive dad, my biological father, and he was still hidden in Chateau, and it was all still dark and gloomy, but I was still able to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was able to see his face, it was clear, it was crystal clear and I was able to see how pissed off an angry he was pissed off an angry that I didn't die with crystals and pissed off an angry that I'm still alive today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He'd be staring down at me and his teeth would be showing and it's rotting dead teeth and I'd smell him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was all decomposed and dead because he's been dead since 1998 and he'd be staring down at me and he'd be so pissed off that I'm still alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hear that water running and he'd be standing closer to my bad and I hear that water running and that I'd be staring up at him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be staring him right back into the back in the eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One reason Joe Winco identified so strongly with the dead is his multiple suicide attempts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he struggled daily with suicide or ideation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something Joe would attempt to give into throughout much of his life, dating back to his pre-teen years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyone who's familiar with me, Joe Wanko, will know that throughout my whole entire life, I have tried suicide countless times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have reasons for every single time, but I've tried suicide countless times throughout my whole entire life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you guys want to know about the first time I have ever tried suicide, we're going to have to go way back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to go all the way back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the way back to year 2000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is me back in year 2000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was four years old at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's me and my daughter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome listener.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take a seat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to the fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listener, in part one of this two-part series, I introduced you to Joe Winco, then a centric man with many obsessions and a growing fascination with the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this episode, we reach Joe Winco's end, but not before we continue his story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned before in the first episode that this is a subject in case and person that has affected me on a personal level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lived right down the road for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he seemed like a strange but good-natured guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But back to the main story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joinko's morbid preoccupations continue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His grave visits increased.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oftentimes, he would meet fans or men through dating apps, who would take Joe on a road trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was essential to his hobby because Joe couldn't monetize his YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In one video, Joe took the time to explain why he visits graves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This episode of Joinko Talk is going to be about why I do videos of me leaving flowers by people's graves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So those of you who've been following me for a while would realize this, I actually do a lot of videos of me leaving flowers by people's graves, mainly people who I've thread about online because I read a lot about deceased people online all the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always think it's sad when a person dies, almost always think it's sad when a person dies.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I always believed in the term, do on to others as they do on to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As in, if I ended up dying, I would want someone to do a video of them leaving flowers by my grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you who don't know, I always wanted half of my ashes scattered into the Ohio River Preferably in Louisville, Kentucky, because that's a river that I'm spiritually connected to, but anywhere along the Ohio River would be fine That's why in every single video that I have of me being driven over the Ohio River You hear that gloomy piano song playing in the background
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's because that's where I want my ashes to be scattered into the Ohio River.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also wanted half of my ashes buried in a cemetery in Ocala, Florida, because that's a town that I always wanted to live in, and a town that I always been obsessed with, especially since I wrote a piano song about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also the reason why is because I did want to have a grave so people could come visit my grave and leave flowers by my grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just don't smile if you're doing videos at my grave though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're talking about a happy memory, because whenever I do a grave video, I never smile in any of my grave videos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless I'm talking about a happy memory that I have with a person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: but literally almost all of them are people who I've never met before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it would be really messed up to smile on someone's grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I always try to talk in a monotone, kind of like how I'm talking now, because I don't want to talk in a happy, excited voice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that would be really messed up honestly, but I always make sure to talk in a monotone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if anyone actually noticed this, but the color of the flowers I leave on the person's grave depends on the person who's grave I'm visiting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if the deceased person's grave I'm visiting is a female, a female of any age, then I basically leave almost any color of
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never leave a red flower on a female's grave at all, but any other color except red.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Usually pink, if it's a white female, and purple, if it's an African-American female, or yellow, if it's an African-American female.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But to be completely honest, I don't really follow that specific rule very often.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, if the deceased person whose grave I'm visiting is a male
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[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't an adult at the time of their death, then I leave a red flower by their grave that's not a rose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, if the deceased person who's grave I'm visiting is actually an adult male, then I leave a red rose on his grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, there is one more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm visiting the grave of someone
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I leave a black flower on their grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the people who who's graves I'm visiting, most of them are buried really far away from where I live.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I always have to like hit your eye to get to their grave and leave a flower by their grave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason why I do that is because I feel sorry for that person and I never want them to be forgotten at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listener, the thing worth keeping in mind is that Joe wasn't visiting these graves for attention or money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, while he visited the graves of popular names like Gabby Petito, he seemed to travel the country visiting these sites due to a mixture of empathy, relating what he saw as a sort of spiritual bond, and let's face it, pure morbid fascination, and a, who are we to judge?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's one more thing that made me really angry once.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's actually this whole thread started about me on Kiwi Farms and people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Kiwi Farms is actually supposed to be like a hate site or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the people on Kiwi Farms, they're actually always nice when they talk about me, really.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They actually, I mean, yeah, they do make fun of me, but it's not for anything like extremely harsh.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They actually like all my stuff, and they think it's funny and everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember, I think there is this one person who probably saw my post on Kiwi Farms, or I mean, the post about me on Kiwi Farms or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they did a live stream reacting to some of my videos like the videos of me leaving flowers by people's graves and everything And they were like really upset and about it for some reason.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said, why are you wearing that weird costume at the grave?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, does it matter what costume you wear at the grave?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not making fun of the person or anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The costume represents me not them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, gosh
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then I started reading the comments on their live stream that they did reacting to my video, and there was one thing that the people were saying that really pissed me off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The one comment that they all were typing is they were typing in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope he isn't making any money off of his grave visiting videos.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In that pissed me off.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that they seriously thought that I was going to these people's graves just for money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It actually always pisses me off when people think that I make money off my YouTube videos, because the truth is I do not, and I do not want to either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I make my YouTube videos to share what goes on inside my autism mind because I feel like someone would actually find it interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the major reason is to get my thoughts and share what goes on inside my autism mind and leave my mark on this world because one day I'll be dead and I just want to make sure there's something left of me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the more crackpot ideas I have about true crime, morbid subjects, and exploring the abyss in general, is that this all comes at a cost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see, listener, you can put whatever you like into your noggin, but you will never get to choose what you take out of your mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All these morbid interests began to take a toll on Joe Winkle, and sometimes, at night, Joe was visited by the dead.
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[SPEAKER_03]: really freaked me out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if any of you guys ever had sleep paralysis.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really remember much of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just remember being really freaked out and terrified and I did see my biological father.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I turned down all the lights in my apartment because it freaked me out a lot and what I remember
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was sitting in that chair, right now I'm in my bed right now, but he was sitting in that chair.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And usually when I see him and my sleep paralysis nightmares, I can't, he's like covered in shadow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't see him, like sometimes I can see a part of him, like he's wearing, he wears a prison jumpsuit, because he died in prison.
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[SPEAKER_03]: he was wearing the present jumpsuit and he was staring me right in the eye and um whenever I see him he he's usually always really angry and really pissed off but when I saw him this time he wasn't he wasn't mad he was smiling
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[SPEAKER_03]: and he looked so evil, and it freaked me out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I only remember looking at him for a couple seconds, and then I just woke up screaming, and it was terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever Joe experienced an episode of sleep paralysis, it was always accompanied by the sound of running water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There in his bedroom would stand the gloomy visage of some more so, from Joe's memory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His father, his best friend, his brother, his uncle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course the victims from the grave sites he visited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of this was enjoyable to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, he found it terrifying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever we were to sleep paralysis up so tap, and I'd start hearing this noise in the sound.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever I heard this when I was younger, like really young, let five, six or seven before sleep paralysis, I'd always get freaked out for some reason, and I'd start crying, and I get really scared.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This noise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That sound effect is actually the sound of water coming from a drain, and when I was really young, I didn't know why, but whenever I'd hear that, like if my mom was my adoptive mom was washing dishes, and I heard that sound, and she always wanted me to try washing the dishes, but I could not stand it, because I did not, I could not stand the noise of water that water running back in those little, when I feel the water and it's so gloomy
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially knowing that that's how my twin brother died, he was drowned in a sink by his own father.
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[SPEAKER_02]: During my sleep paralysis, up so it's like starting hearing the water running, I'd see my adoptive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not my adoptive dad, my biological father, and he was still hidden in Chateau, and it was all still dark and gloomy, but I was still able to see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was able to see his face, it was clear, it was crystal clear and I was able to see how pissed off an angry he was pissed off an angry that I didn't die with crystals and pissed off an angry that I'm still alive today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He'd be staring down at me and his teeth would be showing and it's rotting dead teeth and I'd smell him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was all decomposed and dead because he's been dead since 1998 and he'd be staring down at me and he'd be so pissed off that I'm still alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hear that water running and he'd be standing closer to my bad and I hear that water running and that I'd be staring up at him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be staring him right back into the back in the eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One reason Joe Winco identified so strongly with the dead is his multiple suicide attempts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he struggled daily with suicide or ideation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something Joe would attempt to give into throughout much of his life, dating back to his pre-teen years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyone who's familiar with me, Joe Wanko, will know that throughout my whole entire life, I have tried suicide countless times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have reasons for every single time, but I've tried suicide countless times throughout my whole entire life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you guys want to know about the first time I have ever tried suicide, we're going to have to go way back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to go all the way back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the way back to year 2000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is me back in year 2000.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was four years old at the time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's me and my daughter.
