Oct. 28, 2025
Black Label: Butcher's Market (Excludes Halloween Specials)
In January 2025, Nguyen Dat, a 35-year-old Vietnamese man living in Ha Dong, voluntarily sought his own execution—fulfilling a years-long sexual obsession with decapitation. Through extreme pornography forums and dating apps, Nguyen publicly advertised his desire to be beheaded, eventually connecting with an unnamed butcher who shared his fatal fetish.
The killing occurred between January 25 and February 24, 2025, in a makeshift execution chamber. Graphic video footage—leaked to Vietnamese and Chinese Telegram groups—shows Nguyen's decapitation as he reached sexual climax. The butcher then dismembered his body with professional precision, documenting the process across 11 videos and 98 photographs. Evidence suggests the killer cannibalized Nguyen's remains, cooking parts of his body into Vietnamese dishes. When concerned citizens reported the leaked footage to authorities, they discovered Nguyen had been missing for five years.
This case represents only the third confirmed consensual homicide motivated by mutual sexual gratification—and the first where execution footage was publicly leaked. Obscura examines this disturbing intersection of extreme fetishism, voluntary death, and the dark corners of online subcultures where such transactions occur.
[BLACK LABEL CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains extremely graphic descriptions of violence, dismemberment, and cannibalism.]
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KEYWORDS: true crime, true crime podcast, Nguyen Dat, Vietnam crime, consensual homicide, voluntary execution, cannibalism case, Ha Dong Vietnam, decapitation, dismemberment, sexual homicide, extreme fetish, guro, murder case, Armin Meiwes, Zambian Meat case, 2025 crime, obscure true crime
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener, as part of the Halloween season, I'm going to give you access to a free black label and two Halloween specials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want more, where that came from, head to patreon.com slash obscure crime pod cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener, this episode features extreme content.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking 10 out of 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first episode in a while that made me sick to my stomach, the content within this episode, not just in the audio, but the subject matter itself twisted my stomach and not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an episode not for the faint of heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to be frank with you, it's black label breaking new ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's episode covers extreme sexual fetish, the dark web murder market, consensual cannibalism, and has extremely disturbing audio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been warned.
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[UNKNOWN]: You
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and Dad was born on March 10, 1989.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Little is known about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is known is that he had severely debilitating physical health issues that caused him much pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much pain that Newy and dependent on his parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What little work he does is add a fish market, at least according to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy lived in Hadong via Nam, somewhere along the way, he became addicted to pornography, not just any pornography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and became addicted to Goro pornography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Goro is a form of pornography that features extreme violence, usually animated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If features a lot of gore, depictions of men and women being cut up, sliced up, torn apart, the capitated, mutilated, you get the idea, it's gore pornography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After years of consuming this stuff, the question arose in New Year's mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if he were the one getting to capitated, mutilated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man went from a girl fetish to fantasizing about his own decapitation, his biography on Facebook Reigns, Mike's to be decapitated, another section reads, like girl Hentai, decapitations plus sex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone shares the same interest, leave a message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and had several public accounts on extreme pornography websites, usually repeating the same things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Telling people he craved to capitation, and flirting with others, asking if they'd be his executioner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In June of 2022, New Year wrote the post, quote, I'm bored, looking for someone to call and chat about beheading.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is anyone interested?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In September of 2022, he writes, With me, I want to put my neck on it, and be beheaded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the same month, he told another Facebook user, I volunteered to be beheaded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As far back as November 2020, a Facebook comment from Newyon could be found that reads, I'm looking for my executioner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newyon was known to explore several dating apps, most local to Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In these apps, he would send endless messages to random gay men, telling them his fetish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following is a leaked correspondence from a conversation,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy-in, had with another person, you're right sir, not only am I ugly, but I'm also very physically ill, and I can't afford to live freely like normal folks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to depend on my parents my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What else can I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am truly a prisoner of my own body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't because of God, because I'm a Catholic, I would have ended my life already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been thinking about it multiple times before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I stumbled upon your name, I was thinking about whether you could kill me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish to meet someone that, once we've become close enough, could kill me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I really wanted to make friends with such people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that once I've done that, I won't be normal again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The final message on New Ian's Facebook page reads, Starting today, I will permanently deactivate this account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This message was written long after New Ian was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning, it was written by his killer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The actual last post that may have been Newyens reads, three hours until the plan is executed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The post was made on the 25th of January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Presumably, this final post of his was made three hours before his death, placing the date of events on the 25th of January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, someone who knew that previously said that they had spoken in February.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible he spoke with his killer instead, or that the 25th of January post referred to something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In any case, that was dead by the 24th of February.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The killing most likely occurred between the 25th of January and February 24th, 2025, at the latest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since the oldest copy of the video was shared on February 24th, 2025, as recently discovered proof the man was killed, appeared on February 24th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hosted on Telegram, I in account bearing the same name as Newyon's Facebook account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This message was probably sent by the killer directly, since Nguyen was dead at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The telegram account was last active on the 15th of July 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Months after the Grizzly events occurred, a conversation between co-conspirators leaked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This conversation between two parties, neither person Nguyen, was originally in Vietnamese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The conversation has been translated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll read it for you here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's already just waiting until we do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who will do the beheading?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it chung?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How come we just don't let chung do the beheading?
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[SPEAKER_00]: person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too difficult to wait on chung.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two, why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's received the message, but keeps on delaying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: An elite conversation, likely to purchase footage of New Ian's execution, a feeling out process occurred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a feel of how these grim conversations between sick people play out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's extra disturbing is that this is proof that there's a market for this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For years, we've talked about deep web and stuff films, and how they were just sort of a rumor, maybe a myth, but maybe they didn't actually exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what this episode highlights is, no, this stuff is real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're covering a transaction that took place between a butcher or potentially his accomplice and several other deranged people on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told me about you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see your face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 1.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for security reasons I can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the photo you sent doesn't look real at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 1.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also not allowed to send many photos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the clip I just sent?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's New Year's severed dick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was tied up so tight and enjoyed it so much that even after his head was removed from his body, his cock stayed hard just like the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener, the earliest trace of the video appears on July 2nd in a small Vietnamese telegram group named Preview that contained 11 users while other chat screen shots from another Chinese group with 41 members simply named quote, Private Group, appear to discuss the video as well as other possible snuff videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As early as the 24th of June, the 41 member group was created by Vietnamese and eventual, who also spoke Chinese to facilitate the sale of the videos and photos of the killing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He demanded approximately 100 USD to join the group containing the videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a 41 member group for that group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 11 member preview group is confirmed to have contained at least one of the videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The cost of the full package mentioned in this group was around 600 USD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This contained all videos, as well as pictures of New Ian's butchered body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Painted the top was the message that states, in total there are 11 videos and 98 photos, sold as a package.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone who needs to purchase, you can DM me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to play audio from this video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me describe what you've just heard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The video is shot in a dingy bathroom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yellow stained tiles, dirt, crusted ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A pink plastic sheet covers the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is obviously for cleanup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and lays with his head on the chopping block.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's totally naked in his birthday soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got his hand around his penis and he's masturbating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right then, he tells the butcher that he's coming, and a large hatchet comes down hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It nearly savers his head from his neck in one blow, but the butcher keeps chopping to finish the job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red blood spills and gouts from Newyens' neck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now almost entirely removed from his body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only a thin threat of skin ties his head to his carcass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher takes his cleaver and cuts the remaining skin flap away, and the head comes away clean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher picks up the head and stares into the dead eyes, and then places the head somewhere off camera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy-in is still hard as he dies, but his hand moves away from his penis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Relaxing as his life fades away from his body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, with all that in context, I'm going to play the audio for you one more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In another video, the butcher shows off his handy work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's new in, cut-up, and stored on several dishes, and in several buckets and barrels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: including some limbs in a spaghetti pot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His head is on a crystal plate, along several organs, including his heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As well as Newyens, a severed penis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The buckets are full of his body parts, flesh and meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all seemingly drained of their blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The skin has a pale, yes, sickeningly yellow looked to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This all showcases the work of someone skilled in butchery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are clean cuts, and this is professional work that makes you wonder, I was new in contact with, who were these people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all still a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is believed that they have ties to the dark web.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where Newy and finally contacted his butcher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After all the gay dating apps didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least one image was shared of part of Newy and's body cooked and made into a Vietnamese dish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is believed that the butcher ate every part of Newy and's body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Footage was also leaked, believed to be a week before the execution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're newian in his killer are shown practicing, in completing a sort of test run of the execution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They seem somewhat jovial, in this early version, Newian laid on his stomach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the final execution, Newy and Laydown is back, but closed his eyes, presumably because he didn't want to see the hatchet coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After witnessing footage of Newy and's execution, two Vietnamese citizens called the head of the village to report his beheading to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm reporting a missing person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and Dats are chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Newy and Dats, what about him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_00]: caller, he was the capitated sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in Saigon, but he was decapitated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he was decapitated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being shared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, but I'm asking where and when was he decapitated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was decapitated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, how do you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please report it to the police sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, uh, but how did you know my phone number to call me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The village chief, caller, someone posted it online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, people posted it online, caller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people traced, they found dad's information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her, and they found out that you are,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, where was he to capitate it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he was to capitate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably somewhere near there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was to capitate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, in Vietnam, call her, in Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He voluntarily got to capitate it, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, all right, when was he to capitate it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably around the end of January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, end of January, but is this news confirmed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caller, it's confirmed sir, it's confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's missing now, you won't be able to find him anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he's been, he's been missing for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He left the village five years ago, but is this news that he's gone really true?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's really dead sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really dead sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he's really dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you sure, caller?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Report it to the police, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, so he's dead?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caller, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Report it to the police, sir, because the clip of someone to capitating him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being shared right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he was to capitated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know him personally?
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[SPEAKER_00]: caller, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know him at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, you just saw the clip and called it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: caller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I work with the police then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This conversation is especially interesting because it reveals that had been missing for five years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's seemingly disappeared without saying a word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Lee haven't fallen headfirst into his depraved finish and on this strange journey he was on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also reveals he only has a mother and uncle, and that his father died long ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His mother was made aware of his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy-in was motivated by an extreme sexual desire to be beheaded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While the killer was similarly motivated by his own sexual desire to carry out the beheading, this is an act of extreme pseudo-masticism, the topics of the chat rooms where the earliest copies of the killing can be found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are all of a similar vein.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this finish, the one to be killed is usually called the meat, with the killer being known as butcher, elements of ownership or slave-master dynamics, are occasionally present alongside but not universal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another element present in this case, with significant overlap, with the fetish in general, this being cannibalized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The victim did not reference being cannibalized, and as few known posts, it is likely that the butcher's desire was to cannibalize his remains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The underlying motivations of his fetish aren't certain, but studies suggest that it could be motivated by a designer, to merge with a more powerful other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or permanently escape loneliness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In addition to the more standard reasons behind sadomasochism, a current theory is that the killing occurred first and foremost, as a result of mutual sexual gratification.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher decided to take extensive documentation for his own sake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher shared the content with other people who have the same extreme fetish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of these people decided to try and make a bit of money by selling the content.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either someone who purchased it or another person who had the videos, began sharing it in a bigger group, at which point the spread became uncontrollable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The jump from Vietnamese background chats to Chinese chats occurs here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since the Chinese are by far the dominant demographic, when it comes to running these extreme
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[SPEAKER_00]: but members from other Asian countries such as Vietnam make up a non-intignificant amount.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, alternatively, the butcher was in on the plane the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this could be an extreme pornography, enough fetish group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not out of the possibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a chance that this shines a light on some of our darkest fears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, listen, this case represents only the third known in confirmed case of consensual homicide carried out with the motive of mutual sexual gratification, in the very first where the video itself actually leaked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first known case is the infamous, and I say infamous, Armin Muse Incident from 2001.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know it, I know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Muse, a German man, met his will and victim on a cannibal fetish form.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The killing and partial consumption were filmed, and Muse was later convicted of murder, despite the victims' consent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This video never made public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2013, Dead Love, Gwenzel, a former police officer from Dresden, killed and dismembered another man he had met through the now defunct fetish forum, Zambian Meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As in the news case, the victim had allegedly volunteered to be killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gwenzel recorded a 50-minute long video of the dismemberment, which was shown during his
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[SPEAKER_00]: A Facebook user who interacted with Nguyen before everything went down, left some comments recently on Nguyen's last Facebook post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: describing how he previously shared girl content with him, but didn't expect him to go through with anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote, I was curious before, so I only asked, but I didn't expect him to actually do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are types of girl like this, a lot of them on Google, but I've never seen anyone actually do it like he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw his body twitching, convulsing, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we were just chatting, I sent a few decapitation girl picks, those kinds are everywhere on Google.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he just likes stuff like that, but turns out he was really into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, just wow, I was both shocked and impressed.
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[UNKNOWN]: You
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener, as part of the Halloween season, I'm going to give you access to a free black label and two Halloween specials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener, this episode features extreme content.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking 10 out of 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first episode in a while that made me sick to my stomach, the content within this episode, not just in the audio, but the subject matter itself twisted my stomach and not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an episode not for the faint of heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and to be frank with you, it's black label breaking new ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's episode covers extreme sexual fetish, the dark web murder market, consensual cannibalism, and has extremely disturbing audio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been warned.
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[UNKNOWN]: You
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and Dad was born on March 10, 1989.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Little is known about him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is known is that he had severely debilitating physical health issues that caused him much pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much pain that Newy and dependent on his parents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What little work he does is add a fish market, at least according to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy lived in Hadong via Nam, somewhere along the way, he became addicted to pornography, not just any pornography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and became addicted to Goro pornography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Goro is a form of pornography that features extreme violence, usually animated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If features a lot of gore, depictions of men and women being cut up, sliced up, torn apart, the capitated, mutilated, you get the idea, it's gore pornography.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After years of consuming this stuff, the question arose in New Year's mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if he were the one getting to capitated, mutilated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man went from a girl fetish to fantasizing about his own decapitation, his biography on Facebook Reigns, Mike's to be decapitated, another section reads, like girl Hentai, decapitations plus sex.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone shares the same interest, leave a message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and had several public accounts on extreme pornography websites, usually repeating the same things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Telling people he craved to capitation, and flirting with others, asking if they'd be his executioner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In June of 2022, New Year wrote the post, quote, I'm bored, looking for someone to call and chat about beheading.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is anyone interested?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In September of 2022, he writes, With me, I want to put my neck on it, and be beheaded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the same month, he told another Facebook user, I volunteered to be beheaded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As far back as November 2020, a Facebook comment from Newyon could be found that reads, I'm looking for my executioner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newyon was known to explore several dating apps, most local to Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In these apps, he would send endless messages to random gay men, telling them his fetish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The following is a leaked correspondence from a conversation,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy-in, had with another person, you're right sir, not only am I ugly, but I'm also very physically ill, and I can't afford to live freely like normal folks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to depend on my parents my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What else can I do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am truly a prisoner of my own body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't because of God, because I'm a Catholic, I would have ended my life already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been thinking about it multiple times before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I stumbled upon your name, I was thinking about whether you could kill me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish to meet someone that, once we've become close enough, could kill me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I really wanted to make friends with such people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that once I've done that, I won't be normal again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The final message on New Ian's Facebook page reads, Starting today, I will permanently deactivate this account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This message was written long after New Ian was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning, it was written by his killer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The actual last post that may have been Newyens reads, three hours until the plan is executed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The post was made on the 25th of January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Presumably, this final post of his was made three hours before his death, placing the date of events on the 25th of January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, someone who knew that previously said that they had spoken in February.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible he spoke with his killer instead, or that the 25th of January post referred to something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In any case, that was dead by the 24th of February.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The killing most likely occurred between the 25th of January and February 24th, 2025, at the latest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since the oldest copy of the video was shared on February 24th, 2025, as recently discovered proof the man was killed, appeared on February 24th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hosted on Telegram, I in account bearing the same name as Newyon's Facebook account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This message was probably sent by the killer directly, since Nguyen was dead at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The telegram account was last active on the 15th of July 2025.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Months after the Grizzly events occurred, a conversation between co-conspirators leaked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This conversation between two parties, neither person Nguyen, was originally in Vietnamese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The conversation has been translated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll read it for you here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's already just waiting until we do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who will do the beheading?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it chung?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How come we just don't let chung do the beheading?
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[SPEAKER_00]: person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too difficult to wait on chung.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two, why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's received the message, but keeps on delaying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: An elite conversation, likely to purchase footage of New Ian's execution, a feeling out process occurred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a feel of how these grim conversations between sick people play out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's extra disturbing is that this is proof that there's a market for this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For years, we've talked about deep web and stuff films, and how they were just sort of a rumor, maybe a myth, but maybe they didn't actually exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what this episode highlights is, no, this stuff is real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're covering a transaction that took place between a butcher or potentially his accomplice and several other deranged people on the internet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person one, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He told me about you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see your face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 1.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for security reasons I can't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the photo you sent doesn't look real at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 1.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also not allowed to send many photos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the clip I just sent?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Person 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: person one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's New Year's severed dick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was tied up so tight and enjoyed it so much that even after his head was removed from his body, his cock stayed hard just like the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listener, the earliest trace of the video appears on July 2nd in a small Vietnamese telegram group named Preview that contained 11 users while other chat screen shots from another Chinese group with 41 members simply named quote, Private Group, appear to discuss the video as well as other possible snuff videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As early as the 24th of June, the 41 member group was created by Vietnamese and eventual, who also spoke Chinese to facilitate the sale of the videos and photos of the killing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He demanded approximately 100 USD to join the group containing the videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a 41 member group for that group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 11 member preview group is confirmed to have contained at least one of the videos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The cost of the full package mentioned in this group was around 600 USD.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This contained all videos, as well as pictures of New Ian's butchered body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Painted the top was the message that states, in total there are 11 videos and 98 photos, sold as a package.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone who needs to purchase, you can DM me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to play audio from this video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me describe what you've just heard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The video is shot in a dingy bathroom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yellow stained tiles, dirt, crusted ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A pink plastic sheet covers the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is obviously for cleanup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and lays with his head on the chopping block.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's totally naked in his birthday soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got his hand around his penis and he's masturbating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right then, he tells the butcher that he's coming, and a large hatchet comes down hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It nearly savers his head from his neck in one blow, but the butcher keeps chopping to finish the job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Red blood spills and gouts from Newyens' neck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now almost entirely removed from his body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only a thin threat of skin ties his head to his carcass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher takes his cleaver and cuts the remaining skin flap away, and the head comes away clean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher picks up the head and stares into the dead eyes, and then places the head somewhere off camera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy-in is still hard as he dies, but his hand moves away from his penis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Relaxing as his life fades away from his body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, with all that in context, I'm going to play the audio for you one more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In another video, the butcher shows off his handy work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's new in, cut-up, and stored on several dishes, and in several buckets and barrels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: including some limbs in a spaghetti pot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His head is on a crystal plate, along several organs, including his heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As well as Newyens, a severed penis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The buckets are full of his body parts, flesh and meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all seemingly drained of their blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The skin has a pale, yes, sickeningly yellow looked to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This all showcases the work of someone skilled in butchery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are clean cuts, and this is professional work that makes you wonder, I was new in contact with, who were these people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all still a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is believed that they have ties to the dark web.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where Newy and finally contacted his butcher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After all the gay dating apps didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least one image was shared of part of Newy and's body cooked and made into a Vietnamese dish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is believed that the butcher ate every part of Newy and's body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Footage was also leaked, believed to be a week before the execution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're newian in his killer are shown practicing, in completing a sort of test run of the execution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They seem somewhat jovial, in this early version, Newian laid on his stomach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the final execution, Newy and Laydown is back, but closed his eyes, presumably because he didn't want to see the hatchet coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After witnessing footage of Newy and's execution, two Vietnamese citizens called the head of the village to report his beheading to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm reporting a missing person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy and Dats are chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Newy and Dats, what about him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?
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[SPEAKER_00]: caller, he was the capitated sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in Saigon, but he was decapitated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he was decapitated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being shared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, but I'm asking where and when was he decapitated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was decapitated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, how do you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please report it to the police sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, uh, but how did you know my phone number to call me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The village chief, caller, someone posted it online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, people posted it online, caller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people traced, they found dad's information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her, and they found out that you are,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, where was he to capitate it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he was to capitate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably somewhere near there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was to capitate it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, in Vietnam, call her, in Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He voluntarily got to capitate it, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, all right, when was he to capitate it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably around the end of January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, end of January, but is this news confirmed?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caller, it's confirmed sir, it's confirmed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's missing now, you won't be able to find him anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he's been, he's been missing for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He left the village five years ago, but is this news that he's gone really true?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's really dead sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Huh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really dead sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he's really dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you sure, caller?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Report it to the police, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, so he's dead?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caller, yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Report it to the police, sir, because the clip of someone to capitating him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being shared right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, he was to capitated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know him personally?
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[SPEAKER_00]: caller, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know him at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief, you just saw the clip and called it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: caller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I work with the police then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This conversation is especially interesting because it reveals that had been missing for five years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's seemingly disappeared without saying a word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Lee haven't fallen headfirst into his depraved finish and on this strange journey he was on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also reveals he only has a mother and uncle, and that his father died long ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His mother was made aware of his death.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Newy-in was motivated by an extreme sexual desire to be beheaded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While the killer was similarly motivated by his own sexual desire to carry out the beheading, this is an act of extreme pseudo-masticism, the topics of the chat rooms where the earliest copies of the killing can be found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are all of a similar vein.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In this finish, the one to be killed is usually called the meat, with the killer being known as butcher, elements of ownership or slave-master dynamics, are occasionally present alongside but not universal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another element present in this case, with significant overlap, with the fetish in general, this being cannibalized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The victim did not reference being cannibalized, and as few known posts, it is likely that the butcher's desire was to cannibalize his remains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The underlying motivations of his fetish aren't certain, but studies suggest that it could be motivated by a designer, to merge with a more powerful other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or permanently escape loneliness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In addition to the more standard reasons behind sadomasochism, a current theory is that the killing occurred first and foremost, as a result of mutual sexual gratification.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher decided to take extensive documentation for his own sake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The butcher shared the content with other people who have the same extreme fetish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of these people decided to try and make a bit of money by selling the content.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either someone who purchased it or another person who had the videos, began sharing it in a bigger group, at which point the spread became uncontrollable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The jump from Vietnamese background chats to Chinese chats occurs here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Since the Chinese are by far the dominant demographic, when it comes to running these extreme
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[SPEAKER_00]: but members from other Asian countries such as Vietnam make up a non-intignificant amount.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, alternatively, the butcher was in on the plane the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this could be an extreme pornography, enough fetish group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not out of the possibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a chance that this shines a light on some of our darkest fears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, listen, this case represents only the third known in confirmed case of consensual homicide carried out with the motive of mutual sexual gratification, in the very first where the video itself actually leaked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first known case is the infamous, and I say infamous, Armin Muse Incident from 2001.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know it, I know it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Muse, a German man, met his will and victim on a cannibal fetish form.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The killing and partial consumption were filmed, and Muse was later convicted of murder, despite the victims' consent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This video never made public.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2013, Dead Love, Gwenzel, a former police officer from Dresden, killed and dismembered another man he had met through the now defunct fetish forum, Zambian Meat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As in the news case, the victim had allegedly volunteered to be killed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gwenzel recorded a 50-minute long video of the dismemberment, which was shown during his
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[SPEAKER_00]: A Facebook user who interacted with Nguyen before everything went down, left some comments recently on Nguyen's last Facebook post.
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[SPEAKER_00]: describing how he previously shared girl content with him, but didn't expect him to go through with anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quote, I was curious before, so I only asked, but I didn't expect him to actually do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are types of girl like this, a lot of them on Google, but I've never seen anyone actually do it like he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw his body twitching, convulsing, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we were just chatting, I sent a few decapitation girl picks, those kinds are everywhere on Google.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he just likes stuff like that, but turns out he was really into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, just wow, I was both shocked and impressed.
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