CHILD ABUSE: Tina Ramirez | Piedmont, Oklahoma 2024

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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome listener.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm glad you're here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Take a seat.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Next to the fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.

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[SPEAKER_04]: On March 15th at 2024, an officer from the Piedmont Police Department in Oklahoma responded to a rapport of a runaway child.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He located a 14-year-old girl hiding under a blanket near a building who appeared severely malnourished, weighing around 60 pounds and resembling the size of a first grader with skin hanging from her bones.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Don't run or I'll chase you and put you in handcuffs.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I know you don't.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Let's go talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But until you're in my car, we're not talking.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Stand up.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you going to listen?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to yell at you.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I want to be nice to you, but I'm not going to chase you.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like, I'll tackle you before you have time to run.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Do you understand?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to do all of that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I want to help you.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And figure out why you ran away and all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we can talk about it in my car first.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Do you need to do this any of your stuff?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Let's go to my car.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer was shaken by the physical appearance of the girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He asked children himself.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He had dealt with runaways before.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But nothing like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He resolved right then and there to get to the bottom of why this girl looked this way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why she appeared to be afraid?

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[SPEAKER_04]: The girl who had been missing for over 12 hours expressed intense fear of returning home.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And described her mother, 43-year-old Tina Ramirez, to the officer.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I have located her.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm gonna go around this building, start what's going on, why do you run away?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to be there.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Why not?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's scared.

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[SPEAKER_10]: She's scary.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She's scared.

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[SPEAKER_10]: What's her name?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Tina.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Is that your mom?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Well, what's scary about her?

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm scared of getting trouble because she goes to the extreme.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You pose very far when she gets to the trouble.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like what?

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[SPEAKER_10]: What happens when you get in trouble?

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[SPEAKER_05]: She looks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes she looks.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Is there a closet?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Locked you in a closet?

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[SPEAKER_10]: For how long?

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[SPEAKER_05]: The longest I've been here has been like four days.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Four days?

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[SPEAKER_10]: When did that happen?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Most recently.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was last year.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It was around Easter.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And what did you get in trouble for that made that happen?

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[SPEAKER_05]: You were making them food?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Why did you get in trouble with that?

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[SPEAKER_05]: because I'm not supposed to make food.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, my sister, she brings me a little sister, she brings some food.

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[SPEAKER_05]: She was bringing snacks, snacks, and school, and I was having her keep it in the bedroom, so I could have some.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And so when she figured out, she tasted me a long time ago, because it was for four days.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She tasted me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer is audibly taken a back to hear the frail girl describe her foster mother teasing her as a form of punishment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: On the right of the girl's home, he's filled in more by the girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She continues to paint a dark picture, her head resting against the glass of the squad car, explaining in detail why she'd run away from the parent who was supposed to protect her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They pulled into the driveway.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer's partner pulled him beside him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He told the girl to wait in the car and left the air on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After knocking on the door, Tina Ramirez stepped outside.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She's a visibly large woman weighing over 400 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Listener, normally I wouldn't draw attention to such a thing, but it will come into play.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer begins asking Tina questions.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He starts pressing Tina about her parenting of the 14-year-old girl, and the rest of her foster children.

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[SPEAKER_06]: This year, I threw a Halloween party for the kids.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It was really cool about a bunch of Halloween decor.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And I bought a projector, a huge 84-inch projector, because I bought a screen.

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[SPEAKER_06]: But I've had bought a projector, a black Friday the year before, and I'm using it as a look.

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[SPEAKER_06]: So when I did like cool sub-decorated cupcakes, cool candies, and then set that up for them.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Happy's kids over.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They're like piz mom ever and they love it.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They want a school talking about and everything So it's pretty it was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I wanted to do the projector out here, but I was like, I don't know if that's okay to do

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer isn't buying Tina's cheery demeanor.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It feels too forced, like she's trying to sell a story.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the officer isn't buying it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He asked Tina if it's okay if he takes a look around the house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She agrees.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Entering the home, the conditions are disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The carpet is ripped up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The floor is concrete, and it's stained.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The walls are smeared.

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[SPEAKER_04]: None of the ceiling lights work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Instead, LED lamps are dispersed through the home.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The lamps give off a harsh light that hurts if you look too close at them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer in his partner had straight to Tina's room.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's looking for something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After some digging, he finds it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The taser, the girl told him about in the squad car.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Give it up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh yes, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The Taser arcs blue, and violent light, that fills the darkened room.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a taser that would make a full-grown man run in fear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yet a frail 14-year-old had told the officer it was something frequently used on her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: After searching the home and finding even more evidence, he's seen enough.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer tells Tina to take a seat in the living room.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As he follows her to the living room, the officer flexes his gloved hands.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is to calm the anger that is emanating from him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can feel it as he walks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He then places his fingers to his temples.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Size out loud to stabilize himself, and then begins questioning Tina.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Have you ever locked your kids in the closet?

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[SPEAKER_10]: No.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, why would they tell me they've been locked in the closet?

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[SPEAKER_06]: All the more kids said that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: More than one.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I've never watched any of the kids in your closet.

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[UNKNOWN]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I found this letter.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sure you've read it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: It was in your closet.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Tell me about these letters.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Sure, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, why is she saying all this horrible stuff is happening to her if she does that, if it's how she bends?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And then she's, is it the truth?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, those are all I wouldn't know, like, she's talking about being beat up.

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[SPEAKER_10]: She's talking about having scissors to her throat, talking about pulling you off of her and you telling her you would have killed her.

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[SPEAKER_06]: That's when we had an altercation.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_06]: We had an altercation.

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[SPEAKER_10]: With scissors?

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_06]: There was no scissors.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She was coming out of me.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: We came.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Hold on, because she was holding my hair, right?

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[SPEAKER_06]: And, yeah, that didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_06]: That didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: How do you discipline these kids?

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[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I know we talked about it earlier.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Do you spent them?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Do you hit them ever?

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I've had altercations before.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And more than one, there's a time she reminded me to solve for me, okay?

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[SPEAKER_06]: And I held her.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And she was kicked in punch.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I had to hold her down.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Other than that, no.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Typically, what does dinner look like here?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I don't cook every single night, but dinner, the kids do eat their most of the time.

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[SPEAKER_06]: The little ones like pizza, hot pockets, chicken nuggets, top peanut butter and jelly, the big rolls.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Jay, you want to push?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I just did being less.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you need it.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I just did being the other day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer continues to attempt to maintain a sense of professionalism, but his contempt can be heard with each word directed at Tina.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When he took the letter out, his hands were shaking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's only when he speaks to other officers that you hear a sense of neutrality.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The handwritten letter the officer found from one child was addressed to God.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The despair in the letter, left from the page.

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[SPEAKER_06]: little with his bowl, but I'm not the big ones.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm getting up late and I get the time to work anything.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They do.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I make sure they get milk.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It's not cereal.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me about this.

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[SPEAKER_06]: This is not here.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I did take away the drinks from her because she was sneaking them.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She writes stuff like this all the time, sir.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You can talk to her about this.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She does this all the time.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She'll tell you.

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[SPEAKER_10]: So, how'd you keep this one like it's important to you?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't keep it because it was in my closet.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I keep it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: What's that important paper?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I kept all of these to show her and remind her but I haven't got these out before ever, sir.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm being honest, like.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't think you were.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm scared.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Well, probably because you've been abusing your kids.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Look how skinny they are.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You tell me you feed those kids.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Enough.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I want to say enough.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They like to eat noodles.

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[SPEAKER_06]: How cute or kid can get this off a noodle.

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[SPEAKER_10]: My kids, I feed my kids noodles all the time.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They're fatter than hell.

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[SPEAKER_10]: That looks not skin and bones like this.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They eat noodles in crackers with it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And spaghetti and meatballs and hot pockets and pizza and hot dogs and all kinds of nutritious things.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Those kids are malnutritioned, Tina.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I give them canned vegetables that can be healthy.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's clear that the officer has taken a personal interest in the unfolding events.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His emotion isn't disguised even by a fraction at this point.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's cornered Tina, and she's visibly panicking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer presses on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Medic skews, he unfolds the letter, begins to confront Tina with its content.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I know, but here I am, and they don't have bedrooms and they had serial for dinner.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's what they wanted.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They got the choice option if they have the choice of that, that's what they wanted.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It's always what they want.

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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you want?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not cooking tonight.

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[SPEAKER_06]: If they want cereal, they get cereal.

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[SPEAKER_06]: If they want a volume and cheese sandwich served, they get it.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Ask all of them.

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[SPEAKER_06]: That was their option tonight.

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[SPEAKER_06]: So not sure what she wanted.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I see what there's being said.

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[SPEAKER_06]: From last night that I could, she was just saying, who's going to get to eat the beans now?

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[SPEAKER_06]: She loves my cooking, my kids love my cooking.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Dear God, I think she's going to kill me.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You and I both know that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I have been talking to you, praying and trying to be polite, helpful and respectful.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I've been shutting out all the bad thoughts, but it's no use.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But I won't let their negativity and discouragement stop me.

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[SPEAKER_10]: This is my year for as long as I'm alive.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to change, but I won't let anyone stop me.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I want to change, but if she kills me, I know that I was making changes to make me better.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to be kind and respectful still.

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[SPEAKER_10]: She held scissors to my throat.

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[SPEAKER_10]: scissors underlined to my throat.

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[SPEAKER_10]: She left bruises on my neck along with cuts from her nails.

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[SPEAKER_10]: She cut the inside of my lip and now one of my front teeth is moving slightly.

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[SPEAKER_10]: My nose is clogged with blood and my ear is bright red with plenty of scratches on it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And it hurts so bad.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I can't lay on that side of my head.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You know I could get her in trouble for that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And the fact that she said, I'm going to kill her.

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[SPEAKER_10]: With at least two people besides me that can verify that then she whispered to me if Katrina didn't stop me I would have choked you to you past step and I'm the sick twisted one, but no I'm gonna stay here just to prove what I can change Yes Tina combined that with the fact that these kids have run away seven times from you How is any reasonable person supposed to think you're not starving and abusing these kids?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay

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[SPEAKER_06]: Minimal abuse, I would say yes.

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[SPEAKER_06]: This whole piece?

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[SPEAKER_06]: No, has there been altercations?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, there has.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Starving, like you said, I feed them, but it's not the food that it's getting.

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[SPEAKER_10]: It's getting.

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[SPEAKER_10]: No, I quoted the noodles.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You said, okay, you said noodles.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I said noodles, okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: We're not starving.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No, why?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Do you want to have lunch?

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[SPEAKER_10]: If you're feeding them, why are they skinny?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Have you talked to them about that?

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[SPEAKER_10]: I have.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And what about this?

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[SPEAKER_10]: That's not what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm asking you questions right now.

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[SPEAKER_10]: If you're feeding them, why are they skinny?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you eating?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Is your husband eating?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Those boys are eating.

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[SPEAKER_10]: At least it looks like it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I haven't looked at him real close.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But those two autographs?

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[SPEAKER_10]: You can't look at me and tell me they're eating enough.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me they're eating enough.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When the officer asked Tina to tell him that they're eating enough, it rings out like a challenge.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His finger pointing at the panic woman in open hostility.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There is attention in that room.

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[SPEAKER_04]: With unsaid underlying emotions, it took the girl's seven runaway attempts for someone to finally take her seriously.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For reasons you and I will never know, Mr. Earth.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is beyond the job for the officer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Perhaps it's his children at home, or perhaps something in his past.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But in my years creating this podcast, this is the first time I've seen such an open crusade.

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[SPEAKER_04]: From the moment the officer spoke to the girl in his squad car, he made removing her from this situation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His priority, he personally contacted CPS, requested more backup, and has been hellbent on finding out exactly what this woman has done to these kids, and now he's focused on getting her to admit doing it.

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[SPEAKER_06]: There's a time we thought they had parasites, I even bought them parasite medicine.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It's around here somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Did they go to the doctor?

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_10]: When's the last time they've been to a physician?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it's been a while.

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[SPEAKER_10]: How long is a while?

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[SPEAKER_06]: See, I think the last time for us to get a shot in the dentist to get her retainer taken out.

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[SPEAKER_06]: So maybe two or three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They haven't been to a physician in two or three years.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Look how skinny they are.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You thought they had parasites?

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[SPEAKER_10]: And you didn't take them to the doctor?

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[SPEAKER_06]: She told, I've had parasites.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You should go to the doctor if you have parasites.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You should take your children to the doctor if they're skin and bones, Tina.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer barks to sell, pointing another accusatory finger.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tina, wings back and open shock, telling the enraged man that he's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Her eyes wide, and her face ghostly pale.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So what haven't you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why aren't you feeding your kids?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Why haven't I take those to the doctor?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I have no excuse.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, why aren't you feeding your kids enough?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, you feed them.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Why aren't you feeding them enough?

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[SPEAKER_06]: What is enough because, like I explained earlier, they were boredgy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tina seems openly afraid of the officer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He paces for a moment, and then he pressed his on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you feeding those kids enough?

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[SPEAKER_06]: enough.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, can I ask you a question?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_06]: What would be enough?

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[SPEAKER_06]: It's three times a day enough.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Two to three times a day.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Because I just said in the morning, the girls would just have a blossom meal.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: But they have one and they have dinner.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They never skip that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: We're circling right back around to it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: If they're not skipping meals and if they're getting fed enough, I wouldn't be able to see their bones through their skin like that.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And I can take those to the doctor.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely, I think you should have taken to the doctor.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You know, especially if they're skinny because there's something wrong with them.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You know, if they're skinny because there's something wrong with them, they need to go to the doctor.

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[SPEAKER_10]: If they're skinny because you're not feeding them, you need to go to prison.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer asked the last question, while ringing his collar out of frustration, Tina Yelp's out a small right in response.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But you haven't fed him enough either.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Look at him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It breaks my heart when I found that girl and she stood up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: See that?

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer's voice cracks and he wipes tears from his eyes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you stay here with her like that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: She's tiny.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She covers herself.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She's always covered here.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But that doesn't mean it's not there.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No, but she covers herself.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I would try to do more and more eat more and everything.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Give her gatorides and maybe you need some electrolytes.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_06]: start buying more oranges and apples, nutrients, bought more canned food, hey, you need to eat some vegetables, I have.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And then you keep it all locked up, and you don't let them have snacks until you get home.

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[SPEAKER_06]: One more time.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_06]: But I let them always cheat.

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[SPEAKER_06]: What do you want to eat if they're choice?

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[SPEAKER_10]: They cheat.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Tina, please, you, I really am not trying to be mean to you.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It's just, you're not your job.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Whenever you say things, whenever you say things to me, like, I let them choose, I let them this.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like, I all I can think about is looking at how skinny they are.

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[SPEAKER_10]: So they're not,

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[SPEAKER_10]: and they haven't gone to the doctor and there's locks on everything in this house and I can't even count the cameras I haven't started to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer points out the many padlocks on every cabinet, the fridge with the fingerprint scanner, the walk pantry, as well as the many cameras, privacy invading cameras, cameras in every room of the house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: More than you can count on one sweep, you need to keep a list.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Like these kids, this is a protection at first.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, well, I get to do that.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I start putting a certain places because we have it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And I get, you know, having them, so the kids don't run away.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But now that I've been here, I kind of understand why the kids are running away.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I believe I'm moving away, too.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like I just want to eat.

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[SPEAKER_06]: But when I've asked a why they ran away, it was never how to do anything with that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tina, they're not going to tell you because you're starving them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tina has regain some composure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's if she's looking for the right combination of words to make this all go away, to make the scary man leave.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Why is all the food locked up?

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[SPEAKER_06]: to keep them from sneaking it, stealing it, things like that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_06]: They don't use to get in the freezer, but the stuff that they can grab quick.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Let me ask your question.

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[SPEAKER_06]: That's why.

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[SPEAKER_10]: what is wrong with letting them, you know, I understand keeping some control over it because I've got four kids I have to do that myself, you know, but I do that through parenting, not putting walks on everything.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I understand that these are some devi- I know, hey, let me finish.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'll let me just let me finish my thought.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Please, I understand you got some devi's kids, causing problems, you gotta take that extra step, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But,

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[SPEAKER_10]: like their cameras, locks.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They're running away constantly.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They're writing letters because they're out of options.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They don't know what else to do anymore.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They're expressing their feelings on paper because they've got no one to talk to because they don't go to school and they don't go to counseling and they don't go to the doctor and all they do is sit around here and get starved and what am I supposed to tell anybody that asked me why you shouldn't go to prison?

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[SPEAKER_10]: What do I tell somebody?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Tina.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tina reacts to this line of questioning with stun silence.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Because I just didn't feel like taking them to the doctor.

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[SPEAKER_10]: No.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You've got $60,000,000,000 in the garage, but you can't affording that food, so you lock it up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer catches himself for a moment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He decides to put an end to this for now.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Let's re-convene tomorrow, because I'm getting frustrated and nuts unprofessional.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And I apologize for that.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Actually, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_06]: You're doing your job.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You're doing your job.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Tina.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No problem.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, we're not going to leave, we're just going to quit this interview so I can calm down.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I appreciate you speaking with me.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No, I appreciate you.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You have a lot to know.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You have been very nice throughout this whole process.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Something like this can be very uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_06]: All of it from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And since you walked in my door, you have made this process.

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[SPEAKER_06]: comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to help.

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[SPEAKER_06]: You're doing your job.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay?

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[SPEAKER_06]: That's your job.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Server protect, right?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I can't be mad at that.

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[SPEAKER_06]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Her job the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Server protects, right?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I understand.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It looks bad.

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[SPEAKER_06]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Because it is bad.

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[SPEAKER_10]: It doesn't look bad.

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[SPEAKER_10]: It is bad.

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[SPEAKER_10]: The police are here doing a search

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[SPEAKER_06]: And that's what I'll tell you something.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Those two over once have been taken over ages.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They've been there by appearance, but not fostered.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And they're terrified.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Fostered.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They've been taking out a foster care before because that foster got investigated.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And then the third home that they did want them.

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[SPEAKER_06]: So they felt not wanting it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And now the fourth home.

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[SPEAKER_10]: How do they feel here?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I hate that.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And so, so these kids have run away over and over again, but it's wild and I didn't think we would have this conversation because it's not normal for us to have this conversation, but it's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_10]: These kids want to run away, but they're also scared of me to take them away.

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[SPEAKER_10]: They don't want to be here, but they're scared to end up with some worse foster family.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They've told me the reason they don't want to be here is they're targeting everybody.

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[SPEAKER_06]: They're targeting people.

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[SPEAKER_10]: How are they hurting you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Eating too much?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Things were cordial for a moment, but then Tina struck a nerve.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, I guess I do need to ask you a couple more questions.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Several of your kids confirm that you have tased one of these kids with that tased.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No, I saw her earlier.

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[SPEAKER_06]: We do that.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Can we even do it with the dogs?

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[SPEAKER_06]: So physically, just no, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like how close did you put it to the kids?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Um, what's happened?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I got real close.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if I could do it because we were playing around.

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[SPEAKER_06]: But as far as, no.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, then the business game, like how close are you?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, not that close.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know, but you're not telling me here.

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[SPEAKER_10]: The distance, like, with inches, but like six inches is what you just said.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like, pop it.

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[SPEAKER_06]: She's like, oh, it's like, did you find it?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's little, I don't hit them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The taser is far from little listener.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As mentioned before, it's loud and it releases a violent blue arc.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer finishes the interview and investigation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The children are left with someone safe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Days later, he personally returns early in the morning to arrest 43-year-old Tina Ramirez and her husband, 26-year-old Anthony Abaziyako.

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[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to jail.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: So I'm just being straight with you.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want our dinner fighting on that, but that's what's going on this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Get some shoes on, we're going to need to do and then we're going to head out.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I'll get dressed.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not going to stay out here, though.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to come in just so I make sure you don't...

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Inside, it's dark.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer spots Tina's husband, Anthony.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He takes his time explaining the situation of the married couple.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The officer seems to save her the arrest before escorting them out to the windy dawn.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm glad you're here at some point, you and I need to sit down and talk about this environment and your involvement in all of this.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Your name has come out several times in my investigation, but you and I haven't had an opportunity to sit down and talk.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You and I as well are going to have to sit down and talk.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You're coming with me this morning.

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[SPEAKER_10]: So go ahead and set your stuff down.

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[UNKNOWN]: You already got shoes on everything.

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[SPEAKER_10]: All right, pick your stuff down there.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn around, turn

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[SPEAKER_06]: That fact door won't hold that door.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, I know we'll bring in this cage.

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[SPEAKER_06]: No.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh

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[SPEAKER_09]: OK. Let's go with him to his car.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, can you give me a water?

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[SPEAKER_06]: Because my mouth is only dry so I'm just waking up.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Can you give me a drink of water?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'm just going to water.

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[SPEAKER_06]: My purse is right there.

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[SPEAKER_06]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think your hands are going to be back here.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not going to get them in front of you though.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Can I take this?

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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to get it to her.

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[SPEAKER_09]: That's you can give it to her or whatever you want.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Can you carry this on me?

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[SPEAKER_09]: If you want me to, where are you going to carry it right there?

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[SPEAKER_06]: It's okay, but it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, lock those so that, you know, they don't get tight when your journey is down.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It's a pretty real quick, I can't see in there.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Well, to turn that off, you just think anything's gonna be stopped.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_06]: The dog stopped.

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[SPEAKER_06]: What happens with the dogs?

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[SPEAKER_08]: You can have to sort that out when you're family members or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_08]: We don't have any animal control here in the city of the European Union.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Now let's say it's really surprising.

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[SPEAKER_08]: We'll be in touch, okay?

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[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm going to see if we can.

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[SPEAKER_09]: If you guys are back there.

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[SPEAKER_10]: What?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Is there anything about that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I thought he was in Duram, so sorry.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Put yourself in there.

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[SPEAKER_09]: Sorry about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Piedmont police say last Friday they got a call about a runaway child after finding her wrapped under a blanket, her skin hanging to her bones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to uncover more the child's home, including the alleged abuse by a taser.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Police say the child's mother made a call about the runaway child last Friday, saying she'd been gone 12 hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The police report shows the girl telling officers her mother is scary, saying sometimes she locks us in the closet, referencing last Easter when she spent four days locked inside without food.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Officers went to the home of Tina Ramirez and Anthony Ibeziaco and found five children inside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The report says all looked malnourished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The two older kids frail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Officers also found notebooks with chores, animal care, and restroom breaks for the two older kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the report explains officer saw the refrigerator and pantry were secured by a fingerprint lock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tina, the only one who could open it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't stop there, a search found a child's letter in the bedroom that read, I think she's going to kill me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She held scissors to my throat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the report, the kids told officers one child had been tazed with Tina explaining to police.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They play the boo-boo game with the dogs and kids.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Upon that search, we want the two adults and the residents were subsequently arrested for the pending child abuse charges and child neglect charges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked to neighbors in the area who say they've had their suspicions about the home, but didn't think it would come to this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I believe ultimately will be a successful case that protects the children of our city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doctors at OU Children's found evidence of abuse including signs of scarring from a taser on one child.

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[SPEAKER_04]: At the police station, the officer speaks with Tina's husband, Anthony, a man who doesn't seem to understand the situation he's found himself in.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't know about this stuff until Friday, whenever I got involved with it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: That's the first time I got involved, you know, maybe if you and I had spoke Thursday and you were saying, this situation's terrible and we need help.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe this would look different, but the police got involved and found the conditions the way they were and it's not good, Anthony, okay?

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[SPEAKER_10]: So.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I don't really, really don't know what to tell you other than you should have done something, I think.

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[SPEAKER_07]: That thing, I think it was a good way.

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[SPEAKER_07]: What's the matter, what should I have done?

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[SPEAKER_07]: Because at the same time, I did make sure I told her, I was like, hey, you know what you're getting yourself into, man.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, like, you should have taken them to the doctor.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You should have taken them to somebody at professional.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Now, adopt it.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not on the paper as I get.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I know that, but you got to know the family before you even got married.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You got to know the family made sure that was something you wanted to be a part of.

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[SPEAKER_10]: So when you marry a woman with kids, those are your kids, your stepdad.

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[SPEAKER_07]: She always takes them to the hospital whenever you before the start of school.

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[SPEAKER_10]: That's for the babies, man.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Not the big ones.

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[SPEAKER_10]: The big ones need to go to the doctor.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And she told me that she thought they had parasites and that she never took them to the doctor, even then.

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[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, so I don't think the defense of you just didn't know is going to fly for this truthfully.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I can't lie.

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[SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't want you to lie.

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[SPEAKER_10]: That's the last thing I want you to do.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_07]: What do I say?

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[SPEAKER_07]: What do I do?

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[SPEAKER_10]: I wish that there was something that you could tell me that you did to protect the kids.

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[SPEAKER_10]: That's what I wish you could tell me.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Is there anything you did to protect them?

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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, thinking about it, uh, let me see what I did to protect them.

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[SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's not just hunting cards.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, that's times I did, I did say, because I wanted us to, I don't know if this is like a protect and then it's like me having to take them to buffet and stuff, I don't know, that's not protected.

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[SPEAKER_07]: That's what I'm actually doing, right?

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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry, that, oh, protection.

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[SPEAKER_10]: So you said you took them to buffet, but you know, you also said Tina primarily took care of them at home.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Did you ever prepare meals for the family?

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[SPEAKER_07]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_07]: It's African food and not other things.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, things.

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[SPEAKER_07]: So it did do it more of the night American.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I'm calm dogs and no, things like that, but as far as the African side, they always say it's spicy, so I'm just so careful.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anthony is full of nothing but excuses.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He downplays his role in a situation that would have felt wrong to anyone with eyes and ears.

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[SPEAKER_07]: And then all I just did was, is that I just kind of made rice and just eat the steas and the fridge or I buy those and there is some African ones that I eat and that's all cook for myself and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You know, you do understand what you're just explaining to me, right?

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[SPEAKER_10]: You don't feed the kids.

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[SPEAKER_10]: You don't defeat the kids, right?

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[SPEAKER_10]: You said a turtle responsibility, but she's not feeding them either.

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[SPEAKER_10]: This is what it looks like.

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[SPEAKER_07]: No, she says she fits them and I did tell her.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Do you see her feet then?

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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, in front of those one time, one time when I had this argument with her, I would watch her.

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[SPEAKER_07]: She doubled, like, those are time to eat in, like, uh... What argument were you hearing with her?

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[SPEAKER_07]: is mostly about this cat's man.

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[SPEAKER_07]: It's like I was tired, like very much with the two, first I was like question and like, what do you have?

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[SPEAKER_07]: What do you have to, what was the law at the law of law?

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[SPEAKER_07]: And then she goes, well, it's because I was in the time trying to run away so I'm trying to stop her from happening then.

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[SPEAKER_07]: then all of a sudden, cameras, what do you have for this camera's like, what's that?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Is that not you, is that her, like there's so many cameras, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_07]: That's so crazy because I freaking, that was argument about it.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I argued with her.

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[SPEAKER_07]: That's an A-1, this camera, this is not a long time, this is something crazy about something.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_07]: That's what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_07]: The cameras, I was like, yo, okay.

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[SPEAKER_07]: So much cameras now, she's like, yeah, because I used the cameras to watch me because that way,

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[SPEAKER_07]: Asking, after they finish eating, they can't ask, like, stick them food from little ones, whenever they, the little ones are eating, they go into the kitchen and kind of give the little ones some side eye.

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[SPEAKER_07]: And then the little ones would just act like they're for.

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[SPEAKER_07]: And then they, the, the, we go and take that food and eat it.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Because they're hungry, Anthony.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Because they ate.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But they're, why, then why are they,

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[SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, you know, I'm confused, man.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm freaking confused.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, at least hungry.

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[SPEAKER_10]: All right, just listen to me, okay.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Let me explain kind of what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Because you tell me these kids run away all the time and that might be a behavior thing or not, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But you're also telling me, like, they're stealing food all the time.

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[SPEAKER_10]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_10]: That just, like, they're stealing food all the time and they're skin and bones.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_10]: They're hungry, Anthony.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, Jeff is having fun.

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[SPEAKER_07]: We went to my half sister's house.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_07]: She fed them.

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[SPEAKER_07]: But tell me why the hell that still stems from that cousin's place?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Because whenever you came from a good home, so I don't expect you to understand this.

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[SPEAKER_10]: But when kids over time don't get enough food.

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[SPEAKER_10]: It's kind of like a dog.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like if you ever had like a dog or an animal that went too long without food and stuff, and they just went, E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E, and you got to kind of stop them because they'll eat too much and it'll throw up.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And you know, it's so whenever an animal or a child

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[SPEAKER_10]: gone without adequate food, they're going to want to eat everything all the time, just as a psychological thing, like they're used to not getting enough so they always want more.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Does that make sense?

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[SPEAKER_10]: Like, any chance they get for food, they're like, oh, I need to grab that because I'm not going to get to eat tomorrow or I'm not going to have enough or I'm still hungry or, you know, I'm not in those kids' head, but I can imagine

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[SPEAKER_10]: kind of how they're thinking.

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[SPEAKER_10]: And it makes sense to me for my side why they're stealing food because they're habitually not getting fed enough, they're hungry.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Do you mean does that concept make sense to you?

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[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what's going on, all I just know is that my whole goal for this was to have a good family, like, to turn something I was bad into back to being good.

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[SPEAKER_07]: That is all I wanted.

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[SPEAKER_10]: Have you ever hit the kids?

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[SPEAKER_07]: No.

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[SPEAKER_07]: The only time that I hit the kid was because of he got expelled from school.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I was just kind of mad because it's like,

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[SPEAKER_07]: I didn't hit him so much, but at the same time he's just kind of like, just kind of bummed like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Both Tina and Anthony were formally charged in connection with the child abuse.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In Piedma, Oklahoma, Tina Ramirez was charged on March 28, 2024, in Canadian County District Corps, with four counts of child abuse by injury.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In two counts of child neglect, additional charges included a soul and battery with a dangerous weapon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She was initially arrested on March 19, 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: With a preliminary hearing, originally scheduled for April 12th, 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In December 2024, she was still facing these charges, with a core hearing that was in January 2025.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Proliminary hearings were noted as ongoing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She does not appear in current Canadian County jail, or Oklahoma Department of Corrections and May listings, as of January 10th, 2020.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This indicates she has been released at some point, probably on bond, after later hearings are following a case resolution.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anthony Abizioca was charged on March 28, 2024, and Canadian County District Corps with two counts of child neglect and child abuse, for failing to intervene or report the alleged abuse.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was arrested on March 19, 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He posted $50,000 bail and was

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[SPEAKER_04]: As of December 2024, he was still facing these charges with a preliminary hearing that occurred on January 10th, 2025.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Following the discovery of the abuse in March 2024, the five children were immediately removed from the home of Tina Ramirez and taken into protective custody by the Oklahoma Department of Human Services.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All five children were evaluated at OU Children's Hospital.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where medical professionals noted it was one of the worst cases of malnutrition, they had ever seen with potential long-term health issues such as parasites.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Shortly after their removal, the children were placed on an emergency basis with their biological grandmother, Shelly Yates, who was the mother of their late biological mother, Keila Yates, Keva,

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[SPEAKER_04]: was working toward reunification when she was murdered on Valentine's Day.

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[SPEAKER_04]: 2022, Shelley Yates described the children upon arrival as fragile and very thin, noting they were sick but beginning to build strained by early April 2024.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were reportedly gaining weight slowly, excited about attending school, and appearing happy and well adjusted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Despite the trauma that they endured, Yates expressed her commitment to supporting their healing, and providing a stable forever home, acknowledging her own past challenges that previously prevented her from intervening.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There are no public updates indicating any changes to this placement or the children's status and subsequent reports.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Suggesting, they likely remain in her care, while the criminal case against Tina Ramirez and Anthony Abaziyako proceed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Listener, yes, the interrogations have wrapped in arrests were made, but the way to what unfolded in that Piedmont home lingers, the home was described in the media as, quote, The House of Horrors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In the end, it was one man's unyielding drive that cut through the excuses and denials, ensuring these five children were pulled from a waking nightmare of starvation and fear.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't stop at the initial report.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He pushed forward, gathering evidence, confronting the couple, and coordinating with authorities to get the kids out for good, with an almost a fever-ish drive.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Listener.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't usually stand by fear and intimidation, or officers acting in an unprofessional manner.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But without this man's passion, resolve, and even his burning anger, the cries of these children might have gone unheard yet again, the 14-year-old ran away six previous times, and no one before recognized her actions as a cry for help.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Today, Tina and Anthony face ongoing charges with no resolution yet.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That children are now safe with their grandmother.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They continue their recovery.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Building lives away from the walks, cameras, hazers, and all the other humiliations.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I think that wraps things up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for listening and keep the fire burning.