CONVICTED: Brandon Paul Janssen | Fountain, Florida 2020

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listener, if you have Spain any time with this show, you may have noticed how often Florida appears in these stories.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's courtroom, it's small towns, it's beach cities, it's suburban neighborhoods, they all return again and again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not because they are uniquely violent, but because both with my personal history with the state, and the fact that Florida offers a particularly clear window into how crime and law intersect with its sunshine laws.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Over time, those repeated settings begin to feel less like coincidence,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And more like a pattern, worth examining on its own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In this episode, I want to pause the usual pace and look more closely at that pattern.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Using the details of a single case, this is also an opportunity to examine and aspect the Florida crime and law under a microscope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is an episode about systems as much as individuals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: About how laws grow out of history, public concern, and legislative response, about how courts balance consistency with discretion, and how communities rely on the legal process to provide clarity and resolution after trust has been broken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is also about scale, and how one case can reflect legal principles, and how those principles influence lives beyond the courtroom in the prison.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Florida's approach to law is shaped by past events that left an imprint on public consciousness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In today's episode, we are stepping back to examine a larger context.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not just a story about what happened, but how a legal system processes harm the science responsibility and it's up to you, listener, to decide where you stand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get on with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome listener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take a seat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to the fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the main brand, let's go in all of them, let's go in all of them, let's get them out of here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That piece of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I know you're talking about balls a little bit, but let's listen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's already ready to marinate and all that is going to be already one over there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You haven't ever requested a little bit of anything like that, all right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so do you know why you're down here?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to wear you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It really drows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's my brother?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess sometimes when I says to, Well, I don't know where I stick and why I want to do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, it's something that's already talking about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what kind of things did you do, which you see through that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of sweet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing much, really.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what mother still is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was really, really fuzzy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me what you do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gonna put me in my dad and talk about it after the impact and he said he want to get a long force involved and I said to go back to church so I did and he said I need to really think about it and I thought we had a move past it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had no contact with her after that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I talked to her since the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I said you were

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, nobody's here to call you a monster and say, you're this pedophile, and all this crazy stuff like I'm a monster, and I get it, I get the internal feeling you got going on, but what I'm done here is, you know, we're not trying to set out here and paint you, like you're just as per about here going around, getting kids and stuff like that, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he asked me what I was thinking, I don't know, I wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not that old, I didn't see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He never told me what happened to her and he said, not a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What does it not a whole lot can cost it to you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know, I'd touched you, but I don't know how.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you see what I'm saying, but I don't remember much of the situation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I was playing video games.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I couldn't see the video game right, because when he drank a lot that night,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I was sent on the couch with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where was this app?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We were at Dad's house.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which is where?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Same place as mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I was saying for offering.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Up and down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When was that November, you son?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, because his birthday isn't November, it's right next to me.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You say you touched her, but you don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly how.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember what you do remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I was sent on the couch with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I laid down, remember she climbed on top of me, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fuzzy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I walked into my house.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You said you remember he touched her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember it's something what you remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like putting my hands around her waist, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know I didn't try to do anything like with my daycare anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, that's all I remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she's sitting next to you on the couch and then she,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I laid down, and she slammed on top of me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, mounted on top of you, or?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she wanted to have sex with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember pushing her off on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's she said?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then she got back up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She didn't say anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no words involved.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember our kids' terminology.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listener, picture a stretch of the Florida Panhandle, where the land seems to breathe at its own unhurried pace, where long-leaf pines stand like quiet sentinels, and the air carries the resinous scent of sap and sun-baked soil.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The roads there do not hurry, they curve and meander, slipping past train-lers, modest

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not the fort of postcards or neon beaches, but a quieter interior, dotted with unincorporated communities whose names barely register beyond county lines.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fountain in Bay County is one of those places, life there tends to move in small increments, people measured time by school semesters, hunting seasons, church calendars,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and the steady pool of Panama City for work, shopping, or their entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is this kind of town where conversations at the Diner Wing are over coffee.

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[SPEAKER_02]: were neighbors recognized one of another's trucks by the sound of the engine, and where the extraordinary feels distant, as they'll have belonged somewhere else, yet, listen her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: History has shown again and again, that calm-moving escapes do not enoculate communities against harm, beneath the surface of even the quietest places, there are fractures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One settles is not that violence can erupt in cities already known for chaos, but that it can take root in places that believe themselves immune.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is there in the spaces where vigilance softens into assumption that betrayal often finds room to grow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know what it's about, she said, no, so I can find out when your dad gets home.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't talk to dad for two days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: After the two days, we talked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me about the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, what the fuck are you thinking about your sister?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know dad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's my sister.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know I messed up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't in the rest in the mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, there will be no more alcohol in this property.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There will be no contact between the union sister.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Touched the day, she turned 18.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She turned 18.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She wants anything to do with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So where do you live?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I live in the train or stroller.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do they live?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's a lot of trailer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's a trailer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you in like, like a mobile phone trailer or like a camper?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's like a camper.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like a mobile phone camper.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's trailer trailer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like a house trailer or like no one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a double one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I can say, you're being half true for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like my lieutenant's explain to you because I've already taught him on to him, all right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You realize that you've made a mistake and I can work with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but if you lot to me, I can't start backsliding and you start making this stuff up and give me half truths.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to send you a present for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're honest with me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: maybe one day when all this comes up to ahead, whether it's trial or whatever, case, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, if you get arrested, then I can go in and say, look, he was intoxicated, he realized what he did was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's moved past it and all this other kind of stuff, all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if not, this is going to paint you out to be a really bad person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to ask you again to the town of the house whenever you touched her that you don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You remember it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know exactly what happened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tell me about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: at the house, or my husband, you almost start over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want you to start over and be honest and honest with me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: At the house, we started hearing him at night, and then we, me introvert.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's his birthday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That night, after we got drunk, Trevor passed out, he ended up being not all poisoned.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going to step on step until he goes back to the lab, and that's why.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So after he passed out, I turned on this playstation, I started playing games.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Rune, we're sitting down, just a really good at playing video games.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, back to the video game, I was zombies.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I got really dizzy, I shut off the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But at the time, everybody was asleep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mom, dad, dad, Trevor, they're all asleep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I lay down, because obviously I drank a lot, I need to lay down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She wanted to come up and go, it's exactly what she wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I get thrown at G and then I led to her actually kissing me kissing me and I didn't hold back from it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I should have started touching her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's not something you want to talk about, but explain how you touch her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I started.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I stopped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I cannot do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got up and I took a girl's more of a brother, I guess he's good, I think they're not, I see yes, he's not, I shouldn't be doing this, I said I need to go home, I need to lay down and go to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the only time any things that happened, you know, there was no time in the dream, okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I brought the home, I want to say it was, uh, to kill a man trying to want it to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She came there and I did the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, no, I can't do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like a two-second one, dude.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've already said I wasn't going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm done.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember what trailer was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, can you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: She said the same thing happened again whenever you started to finger in her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you penetrate her with your fingers?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You put your fingers inside of her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what were you doing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: When you were finger in her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it rubbing my hand on the foot?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, for example, it's all I did and he wouldn't do, you know, I'm not a type of person but she's the one that's initiating this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's, I know it's going to sound bad but it almost felt like it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because she would come over, she would lay down, she would try to kiss me in a couple of times, I told her no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I know I can't blame it on alcohol either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not a good choice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: at any time is she ever tell you to stop no she never told me to stop each time I told her I was a really bad brother and she told me no so if she's the one that's initiated and that's stuff and coming on to you all right i should have walked away and said no listen to me why why would she call us and say that nobody is helping her out and that she you've done this there i don't know but

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[SPEAKER_03]: I probably don't know why it is, but you're being more off now than you were earlier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Today's story is not just about one defendant, one victim, or courtroom, and it's about how Florida has chosen to confront sexual violence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How laws have hardened and response to fear and tragedy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and how those legal structures collide with individual lives and ways that are both decisive and deeply consequential.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is about a system built to protect the vulnerable in the heavy-cost that protection demands, not only from those who commit crimes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But from the society that must decide how far punishment should extend, to understand how a single case in a place like found can end in life sentences, in permanent social exile, we have to begin with the legal architecture, the frame sexual offenses in Florida, sexual battery, as defined by Florida statutes 794.011.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a vague or casual designation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is a carefully enumerated offense, then compasses oral anal or vaginal penetration, union with sexual organs, or penetration by an object, which such acts occurs without consent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Consented self is not treated as a simple yes or no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The statue recognizes circumstances that erase meaningful choice, mental incapacitation, physical helplessness, coercion, and fear,

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[SPEAKER_02]: When the alleged victim is a minor, the analysis becomes even more stark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Age alone can render consent legally impossible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the wall pursues at the imbalance of power and experience between the adult and a child is inherently coercive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever do anything with your penis and her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely, and all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He never had sex with her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have never.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why would she tell me that you put your dick in her twice then?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A hundred and ten percent of all, I said I did not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tell me if she loves you and she is coming on to you and all this was she would be telling us all this stuff to get you in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I told her to that about that too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if she is going to go or not as far as I think she was a sweet kid, okay, it shows the worst.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But me and Trevor really get about pickin' on her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really really get about pickin' on her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's revenge or one more but

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[SPEAKER_03]: everything that I've done on telling you as almost as I can right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would never, ever, ever stick my dick inside of her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, just doesn't make sense that if she's the one that's, what are you doing to piss her off so bad by picking on her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: For instance, she got braces.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've called her, ever attracted to the common name everybody gets.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll pick on her that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: me and Trevor called her retarded one mom we were really made up of a lot of our siblings because we really made up of it and then we got physical but we were really mean that's just how we were she didn't like it

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[SPEAKER_03]: the multiple rooms that was supposed to stop doing it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, in sitting in her interview and watching what she has to say, she says, she explains the whole game of video game incident, so for us being on the couch with you and all that, but then explains that you forcefully removed her pants and fingered her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Was there a little more force to it than what you're saying?

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was, you know, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was like, I'm really not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, there's I'm trying to figure out how to put those no means no, as she was I said no Okay, let's get some straight, okay, she doesn't have the ability to say yes You're 20 you're a grown-ass man and telling you right now you're really pissing me off all right, I'm I'm You're 20 okay, so your little sister how would you feel if somebody else was doing this shit there

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would be there, okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then why would you do some shit like this, all right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's talking to you, all right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this whole persona you're putting on of it was just a mistake and she's she's really, you know, always trying to get up on me And let's listen to what I'm telling you

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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen to what I'm telling you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, you've admitted you've made a mistake and I can I can respect that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I can't respect because you sit in here and blaming her for what has happened You are you saying that she's the one that initiated this all right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll tell you what's fixing to happen if you don't start being a hundred percent truthful with me because I watched that little girl balter eyes out in an interview of what somebody who's supposed to be the protector of her is the one that's out here doing this shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's scared to go home because your parents didn't say anything to us about it either and they can tend to you to let you be around her and what happened with that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here we are.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's the deal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can either start being a 100% honest with me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And when I ask you questions, you give me the answer that is truthful, or I'm fixing to bury you and put you in prison right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you understand what I'm telling you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sir.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me about the time you had sex with your little sister.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Florida's definitions are intentionally broad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are designed to capture not just over violence, but the settler forms of exploitation that thrive in secrecy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This breadth reflects a legislative philosophy shaped by both outrage and grief.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is not a rise in a vacuum, listener.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Throughout the late 20th century, the United States was rocked by a series of high-profile crimes against children, the shattered public trust, and ignited political action.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the most influential was the 1994 murder of Megan Kanka and New Jersey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Megan was seven years old when she was abducted, raped, and killed by a neighbor with a

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her family had no idea of its past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The sense that such information had been withheld from the community sparked a national reckoning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The result was Megan's law enacted federally in 1996.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Requiring states to make information about registered sex offenders accessible to the public.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Florida embraces these requirements, but it did not stop there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The state expanded registration requirements, notification systems,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and restrictions embedding them deeply into its criminal justice framework.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nearly a decade later, another tragedy struck even closer to home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In 2005, nine-year-old Jessica Lunsford was abducted, raped, and buried alive, and almost as a Florida by a man who was already a registered sex offender, the brutality of her death in the failure of existing safeguards,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Florida lawmakers passed the Jessica Wuntsford Act.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This legislation dramatically increased penalties for sexual offenses involving children under the age of 12, mandatory minimum sentences of 25 years were imposed for loot or lascivious acts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My time electronic monitoring became standard for adult offenders, convicted of such crimes, certain offences were elevated to life felonies, opening the door to sentences that could extend until death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Other states followed Florida's lead, enacting their own version of Jessica's law.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Before this implementation stood out for its severity and scope, today, Florida is routinely cited as one of the most punitive states in the nation when it comes to sexual offenses, mandatory minimums are triggered by aggravating factors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: such as the age of the victim and the age of the offender.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sexual battery involving a victim under 12 and an offender over 18 can be classified as a capital felony, theoretically punishable by a life without parole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: While the death penalty for such crimes has been constrained by constitutional rulings, the symbolic message remains unmistakable,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Under the Florida Criminal Punishment Code, sexual batteries scored at level eight or higher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A designation that ensures lengthy prison terms, even for first time offenders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not put my date beside her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then what did you do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I had my date out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I did not put it inside of her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I spent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When was that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the video game day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tell me how it really happened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When I said I laid down, she did come and lay next to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That did happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we kissed and then I'm going to got a sexual one from there, but yes, I think you're there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: See you later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought of her with your fingers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't pull hard on her pants.

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[SPEAKER_03]: or anything like that, but I mean, her pants weren't like down, down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, with the tighter pants, I see border pants down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tell me about the other time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that time we were watching a great yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If I was drove, I'd been not even come close to going down the road.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The type of drove.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If we were cuddling, we didn't kiss that time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just straight up, not by my end, I never was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe when you had your dick out, whether it was the first time, what was she doing, or what were you doing with it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, my pants were down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought about it, and I decided not to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm going to do it again, Dickinson.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, if you had your dick out, while this was going on, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What was happening to your penis when this was going on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just dreaming, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she grabbed it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But...

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[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't do anything with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she grabbed it with sheep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She jerking it all for her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't own it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She didn't own it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought she wouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But she didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I never...

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can honestly... 110 percent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I will not ever...

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And...

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not put my dead inside of her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, you might have been scared.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll make sure you sit up, because you didn't stay anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Other than when we asked that I was a whole of a brother, she said I wasn't, that's about all the words that we're saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna ask you again, are you paying her out to be a liar?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or did you really have sex with her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can keep you dead, just my glass, just like before, we can work past that, okay?

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[SPEAKER_03]: but don't sit here and paint your little sister.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody in the wrong line on somebody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you did it, you did it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is where it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We can move past that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But don't let her stood in the courtroom later on down the road and be painted out to be the liar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a victim of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She ain't you know that, so I mean, did you put it in her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a need to be, you need to get a Bible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody, I'll stick my hand on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not stick my dick inside of him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you touch it, too, River John?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you try it, too?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was too tight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you should say it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Her, maybe you guys just stopped once we realized what was going on, what, and what, and what needed to be happening, you know, in that night, when we were on there, you know, and all this was going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only thing,

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[SPEAKER_03]: that ever happened with my day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I had her hand, I took her hand down there, and she grabbed it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Her pants weren't down far enough to do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, I thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: After a moment, if it came down to that, it might have happened.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're about any other time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're ignoring anything that we haven't talked about because she described multiple incidents.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was two times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, two times a day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I told that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was two times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no other entity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did not have to take my dick in that little girl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can say that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been honest with you this whole way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I wanted to talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm already in enough trouble.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, why would I do I about something like that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm already in this party.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in it's pretty big detail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm not trying to be an asshole when I say this, but I get lied to every day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You tell me that doesn't, it doesn't do anything for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's worse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll put my hand on the Bible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll look United.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, people will tell me it's raining outside of them, standing there and they're pissing on the lake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What am I going to go now, mental institute?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You may get a jail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You'll need to be going to jail on two sexual battery charges or two living with those charges.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're nothing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Huh?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll see you soon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like you've been here in our, and stuff like that, it's a betterie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to take in some other stuff that I've got interviewers, and everything on that in the tournament, whether or not I'm going to charge you with a battery, or is herb described in your order to help do for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll tell you, in the L&L battery, it's hard as a life balance you could serve by some prison, just that one charge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't at least two charges, two counts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Beyond incarceration, the consequences ripple outward indefinitely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lifetime registration on the Florida Department of Law Enforcement Sex Offender Registry imposes enduring restrictions on where an individual may live, work, and travel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Residency restrictions often bar registrants from living within 1,000 to 2,500 feet of school's parks, playgrounds, and daycares.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For many, this effectively eliminates entire towns and cities from being reasonable to live in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The numbers behind this system are sobering.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As of October 2024, Florida's registry list at more than 86,000 individuals, classified as sexual offenders or

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only about 36 percent of them were actively residing in Florida communities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The rest were incarcerated, living out of state, or classified as absconded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Since 2005, the total number of registrants has grown by nearly 140 percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Community dwelling registrants have increased by over 60 percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Homelessness has become a defining feature of this population.

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[SPEAKER_02]: affecting roughly 7% of offenders in 12% of predators statewide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: With rates soaring about 30% densely populated counties, like Broward or Miami-Dade, enforcement has intensified alongside these numbers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A rest for registration violations rose sharply between 2014 and 2023.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some critics argue that Florida's approach sacrifices rehabilitation in favor of a symbolic toughness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Residency restrictions have created isolated clusters of registrants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes referred to as modern banishment zones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Research from other states suggests these restrictions do little to prevent abuse as most victims know their abusers personally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In Florida, studies have shown that restrictive ordinances can render nearly all residential property, off limits, pushing registrants into homelessness or transient living situations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are some advocacy groups that contend that these conditions may increase instability in non-sexual criminal behavior rather than reduce harm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Youthful offenders occupy a particularly contentious space within this debate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Forno's Youthful Offender Act, enacted in 1978, allows courts to prioritize rehabilitation for defendants under 21 by capping sentences and potentially avoiding lifelong consequences.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In practice, however, judges often deny youthful thunder status in serious sex cases.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The tension between evidence-based rehabilitation and punitive instinct remains unresolved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Against this bank drop, cases across Florida illustrate the state's uncompromising stance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bay County alone has seen defended sentence to decades in prison for sexual battery involving minors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Civil suits have resulted in multi-million dollar judgments against institutions that failed to protect children.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Teachers, clergy, and authority figures have faced criminal and civil consequences when trust was abused.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Each case reinforces the same message.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Florida will respond with force.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is within this legal and cultural environment that the case of Brandon Paul Jensen, the one you've been listening to unfolded.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, first and foremost, you made this statement to investigate America that she came onto you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go to that bullshit out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go to that bullshit out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Number two, the interview that was done with her is called a forensic interview.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that interview was only done to get the truth from the child 100% of the truth Now, it doesn't make sense that she would talk about grabbing your dick, what you admit to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't make sense that she would talk about you Fangerner, what you admit to.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't make sense that she would talk about other things that happened that if you have said happened during that day But then when she said you touch her vagina with your dick, you will go, I didn't help but I didn't!

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[SPEAKER_04]: She just don't just throw in things

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[SPEAKER_04]: out of the blue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You tried to stick your dick in her and it didn't fit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you said, well, hell, that's not going to work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, you can sit in here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I didn't put my dick in her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, you didn't because it didn't fit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She hasn't started having sex.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She hasn't started going through that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you knew it was going to hurt her severely.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you did, so you stopped.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, let's cut the bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you want to look for a silver lining in the cloud, you have stopped, because do you have any monster that I've had in here that wouldn't have?

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, you stopped because she blanched, she told you, hurt, whatever the case is, you stopped and didn't keep going with it and didn't try to force it and didn't try to do this out of the other.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, exactly because you didn't want to hurt her and when you start and was hurting her, you stopped.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is that correct?

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're giving up detail detail details, but you did touch her with your penis.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is that correct?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What made you stop?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to hurt her with her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: okay i'm not worried about you family i'm only worried about you okay you don't want to hurt her right did she i mean what made jeez you stop i didn't want to hurt her okay did you did she give you some indication and it was hurting her okay she talked about during her interview how bad it hurt her

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's Arvema to believe, 12-year-old girl.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I've already raised a girl from baby all the way up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's Arvema to believe, a 12-year-old girl getting hurt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Does it say anything, flinch, do nothing?

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[SPEAKER_04]: It is lazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I'll run, and I'll be okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no words.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was shit, there was no struggle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want our hurt hurt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's she want to send something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She would have done anything in the whole way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That event did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then what made you stop trying to put your dick in?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you just have an appeal?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just conscience?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, is that what was going on?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: At the point that you were trying to put your dick in?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Listen to him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's Gary Marier's thing coming here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he's going to take a second statement from him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you're going to be honest in this one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: all right we've told him about this before now the fact that he's already got a stigma from you or you deny part of it and make your sister allow to be a liar does not help your situation so when he comes in here this time you be honest if it was truly the conscience on your shoulder at the point that you started to try to put your dick in her in the conscience on your shoulder said hey it's time to stop if that's the truth that's what you tell him all

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[SPEAKER_04]: But if she's flinched, or she was hurting, that's what you need to tell me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I told you to start with, certain things aren't going to put you in a real good light, but you've got to move forward and be honest and push forward through this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what you need to start with last detail.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but the problem is we aren't going to have a statement from you where you've been high that and make her out of the be a liar.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so he thinks we come right to try that you be honest with him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Am I clear?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So tell me the full truth.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll treat this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I started to hate touched River Giant.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I stopped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It hurt her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She didn't appreciate any sign of her hurting her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just stopped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How far into get it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I need to get it then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It literally maybe touched, touched, I mean, there was pressure and I stopped.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why just stop?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it not wet enough?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It knows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Conitions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a quote for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you see a constant soldier's stop?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you pull a fence down?

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[SPEAKER_03]: She pulled your fence down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be through it when I did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He pulled her down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we were all the way down.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Help her down more then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a bullet over her, but she...

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you trying to penetrate her from behind or from the front?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know where you just got there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I was still on my bed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh God, you're really serious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you were still on your back, so she was on top of me then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you tried to put it in her then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then back now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You never got a tip in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I got a tip in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's already told us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like Lieutenant Matt, let's see what's going to do here, really wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so how much of your dick was inside of her?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Half-nilited.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, just dead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the second time you stopped again, because you guys tried it again, and you've also realized it was bad, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: How far did you get your dick in your laptop?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or did you complete the...

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you ever ejaculate or anything like that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a big boy, she's in the middle of the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you get to paint a center of halfway, but you continue to stroke, did you never, you never actually full on had sex with her?

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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of me, you're already, you're already this close.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As far as you're, you've been through to let all of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, don't start now, don't start all on now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've tried.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, never done anywhere after that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why not?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why what is the real reason you stop the science or conscience because she told you it hurt She's a virgin right I mean at least you stop when she said stop and then second time when you try to It also hurt again cuz she's still a virgin and Correct, yes, okay That's true.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's possible With everything it's over the truth saying I'm like a son of a little duck

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lancers are simply the statement correct time is tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jensen was born around the year 2000, and grew up in rural reaches of Bay County.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By all outward appearances, he blended in the landscape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were no widely reported indicators of prior criminal behavior, and his interrogation here, he's wearing a backwards ball cap that's black, and a black shirt, and blazing with a Chevy logo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In 2020,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Allegations emerge that he had committed sexual battery against a girl between the ages of 12 and 17.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Bay County Sheriff's Office initiated an investigation, coordinating with the Gulf Coast Children's Advocacy Center.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To provide support to the alleged victim, these centers exist precisely because the state recognizes how fragile

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[SPEAKER_02]: and retraumatizing, the investigative process can be for miners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: During questioning, Jansen confessed that confession will later become a focal point of legal challenge, with arguments raised about volunteering this in Miranda Warnings, prosecutors charged him with two counts of sexual battery on a miner, each count carrying the potential for wife and prismet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The trial took place in Bay County Circuit Corps before Judge Timothy Register, prosecutor Jeff Moore presented six witnesses, including the victim, who testified to the acts and the betrayal of the trust involved, defense counsel challenged the admissibility of the confession, and objected to certain statements as hearsay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After deliberating for roughly an hour, the jury returned guilty verdicts on both counts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On November 13th, 2023, the court imposed sentence, Jansen received two consecutive life terms without possibility of parole.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was designated a sexual predator, ensuring lifetime registration and supervision should he ever happen to be released.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jansen appealed to the first district court of appeal,

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[SPEAKER_02]: raising multiple issues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He argued that his confession should have been suppressed, that prosecutorial comments were improper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They hearsay evidence was admitted, and that the trial court aired in denying youthful offender status.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On August 27, 2025, the Palacore affirmed the convictions and sentences.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As of early 2026, Janssen was incarcerated a century correctional institution, his legal avenues exhausted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This case stands as a microcosm of Florida's approach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: From investigation to sentencing, the machinery moved swiftly and decisively.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no room for leniency.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The presence of a minor transform the calculus entirely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this has been the case since the Jessica ones for case covered here on Obscura.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sex offenders are hit hard and fast with lengthy sentences.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yet, even as the legal process concluded, the human dimensions lingered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fountain returned to its quiet routines, pines still whispered in the wind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Road still curbed through the countryside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But beneath that surface, something had a revocably changed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The victim, whose courage and coming forward anchored the case, carried the weight of what happened long after the courtroom emptied.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her testimony was not merely procedural.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was an act of endurance, without it the system would have nothing to act upon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listener, it is easy to focus on sentences and statutes, but the true cost of these cases is born in private.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Recovery is not linear, trauma does not respect verdicts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The system can punish, but it cannot restore what was taken from this victim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, communities demand protection.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They demand certainty, Florida's laws reflect that demand, even as debate continues about whether the balance is right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stories like this force uncomfortable questions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Questions as usual, I leave for you to answer listener.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thus permanent punishment equates to permanent safety, in a system built on fear of all the long-sight evidence, what responsibility to society bear, what responsibility to society bear, for ensuring prevention, rather than reaction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the end, Florida has chosen its path, is built a fortress of law around its children, reinforced by mandatory minimums and lifetime consequences.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The case from Fallon is not unique, but it is instructive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It shows how swiftly a quiet life can intersect with the harshest edges of the justice system, and it leaves us with a final unsettling truth, and places that feel safe, harm can still take root.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The question is not whether the system will respond, but how, and what is the cost?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for listening, and keep the fire burning.