Jan. 27, 2026
MURDERED: Heather Strong Part 02 | Marion County, Florida 2009
The investigation into Heather Strong's disappearance ends in the most devastating way possible. What began as a missing person case becomes a murder trial that sends ripples through Florida's legal system for years to come.
Heather Strong was 26 years old when her life was brutally cut short. A mother of two young children, McKinzie and Zachary, she had spent years navigating a turbulent relationship with her ex-partner Joshua Fulgham while trying to build a better life for her family. Her cousin Misty, who grew up with Heather in Mississippi, described her as the sister she never had.
On February 15, 2009, in a storage trailer in rural Boardman, Florida, Heather walked into a trap. Lured by promises of hidden money, she instead found herself bound to a chair with duct tape, a plastic bag sealed over her head. According to court testimony, she remained conscious for approximately five agonizing minutes as she suffocated. Joshua Fulgham and his pregnant girlfriend Emilia Carr worked in tandem to restrain her, silence her pleas for help, and end her life.
The investigation that followed was methodical and relentless. Deputy Billings from the Marion County Sheriff's Office pieced together witness accounts, jailhouse recordings, and forensic evidence. When detectives enlisted Fulgham's sister to wear a wire, Carr's admissions unraveled completely. On March 19, 2009, Fulgham led investigators to a shallow grave on property owned by Carr's mother, where Heather's decomposing remains confirmed what her family had feared.
Both perpetrators faced justice. Emilia Carr was initially sentenced to death in 2011 by a 7-5 jury vote. Following the 2016 Hurst v. Florida Supreme Court decision declaring non-unanimous death penalty recommendations unconstitutional, she was resentenced to life without parole in June 2017. Joshua Fulgham received life without parole in April 2012. Heather's two children were eventually adopted into new families.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Welcome back to Obscura, where the veil lifts on the unspoken horrors that work in the everyday.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In part one, we trace the fractured paths that led three lives to collide, an storm of jealousy and control.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Now, in the second installment, we descend into the abyss of that faithful night.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Unraveling the brutal mechanics of betrayal, the relentless pursuit of truth by those left behind, and the cold hand of justice, that sought to balance the scales, brace yourself as we confront the raw edges of human darkness, or whispers turned to screams, and consequences echo eternally.
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[SPEAKER_11]: All right, let's get on with it.
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[SPEAKER_12]: Welcome, listener.
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[SPEAKER_12]: I'm glad you're here.
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[SPEAKER_12]: Take a seat.
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[SPEAKER_12]: Next to the fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you tell you, did she get your home?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I can't see how you're home, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she was a little bit more honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See how that works?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna tell you what this is without a toe, right here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would tell her she was going to leave it alone.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I was told that she's going to leave it alone.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I'm telling you, you told me that you told him that.
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[SPEAKER_08]: We know that he brought her back to the house that night.
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[SPEAKER_17]: I was home that night.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Listen, your heart is about to jump out of your chest.
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[SPEAKER_17]: Because I was home at my mom.
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[SPEAKER_08]: You're already about to jump out of your chest.
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[SPEAKER_17]: That pisses me off.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, don't do this to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Don't do this to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_17]: As my mom, I was home.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Don't do this to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_17]: What does he say when I did it?
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[SPEAKER_08]: That you said it out.
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[SPEAKER_11]: During Joshua's incarceration in January 2009, Amelia spent time with Jason Lachaw and a comb friends from her earlier years on a trip to the store to buy diapers, Amelia offered $500 to Lachaw and a comb.
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[SPEAKER_11]: If they would get her strong drunk, allowing Amelia to kill her by snapping her neck,
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[SPEAKER_11]: Met Amelia after she moved into the trailer park, Stover's younger brother was close friends with Joshua Folgam.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In January, Will Joshua was in jail.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia called Stover multiple times, Amelia expressed frustration, believing Heather had falsely accused Joshua of assault and rape, leading to his imprisonment.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She declared her love for Joshua, and her desire for his release, Amelia offered $500 for someone to kill Heather, stating she would do it herself, but could not handle moving the body because of her advanced pregnancy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Stover did not take the offer seriously.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia had recently received her income tax refund.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Upon his release from the Marion County jail on February 6, 2009, after serving time for aggravated assault, Joshua Fogum made his way to the modest home of his mother, Judy Chandler, an equivalent wooded section of the county, where trailers and small houses dotted the
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[SPEAKER_11]: The air was thick with the damp chill of late winter and Florida, the kind that seeps into the bones and lingers, mirroring the unresolved tensions in Fogum's life.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Chandler's residence provided a temporary haven, a place where Fogum could regroup amid the clutter of everyday domesticity, but it was far from peaceful.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The shadows of his volatile relationship with strong loomed large in his mind, compounded by his ongoing entanglement with Amelia Carr.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Nine days later, on the afternoon of Sunday, February 15th, Chandler at her sons' behest, drafted a custody letter, a stark handwritten document, intended for Heather to sign.
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[SPEAKER_11]: We're linkishing primary care of their two young children, McKenzie and Zachary, to Folgum.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She penned the words, unaware of the sinister role it would play in the unfolding tragedy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Later that day, as the sun dipped low, casting long shadows over the driveway gravel, Chandler returned home to witness Folgum and strong.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Pulling away in their car, their figures were seeding into the distance, like a fleeting illusion.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Entering the house, she found the children left behind.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Their small face is peering up with innocent confusion, abandon without explanation, and the dim, living room light.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, Josh has said, because he asked me about it.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told him I said, Josh, don't you think you're going to pull a knife on her?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I'd be sitting on the other side of the county jail.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Said the reason why you didn't.
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[SPEAKER_10]: The reason why she didn't.
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[SPEAKER_18]: It's because you're pregnant and she wants to see you go to jail with that baby and I highly doubt that because if anything, she'll want me to have this baby.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I live now, I don't know what else to tell you, I don't know where she's at, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just want to sleep and you know.
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[SPEAKER_10]: So you tell me, I'm really, you know, she knows everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What we watch you to do is listen to us right now.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't say anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, you know what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have been in here since last night answering questions, telling us lies, telling us the truth, telling us lies back and forth.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that stops here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we found Heather.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, she's obviously murdered.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we've been speaking with Josh all night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we've been listening, let the new listen to some of the things he's been saying, and we've been telling him some of the things you've been saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not an attempt to play you one against the other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's an attempt to get the truth out of two people that are lying to is very much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, I want to tell you how you stand right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, you don't stand so well, OK?
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[UNKNOWN]: Because everything is pointing to a million, how I'm going to explain that to you.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I want you to listen to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm asking questions.
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[UNKNOWN]: We have a million, that's you in the middle, okay?
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[UNKNOWN]: And these are all the things that are against the milieu.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, the body was found in your property.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, when you're living, we have habit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, obviously she's deceased.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But Josh was going to go back with her, the father of her baby.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we have Chrissy, and we have James involved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Chrissy's like, yeah, you know, she held a knife,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't deny it, don't admit it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't want to lie out of your mouth until you hear what I have to say.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but I still have everything pointing to you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can put you in prison for the rest of your life just with this evidence, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I need to give a million chance because you've been lying to us all night, you've been telling us to truth here, you've been telling us lies there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that stops right now, because it's a million, her baby are being affected now.
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[SPEAKER_18]: and I've been making effort when technically with phone calls.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're being affected now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because you don't want your baby born a person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want your baby born a person.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying that's where you're going to end up.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if I have to use all this stuff against you, you're the only suspect that I have right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That can win in court.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I want to know from you, exactly what happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No more of this, I think, or I heard nothing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want the truth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, the truth starts right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because now we ain't playing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You never met me before, you have to trust me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to trust this man too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been doing this a lot longer than I have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been doing it 30 years, I'm gonna do it in a truck.
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[SPEAKER_04]: don't want you to either.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And then I can hand you a job on the silver plot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's get through this, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And keep your kids in your mind.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And then you... Also, I'm saying, I mean, I can say everything that I know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How you want to do that?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I want me any.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I will testify.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I will.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's hear what you have to say for that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't promise you nothing.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, let's see that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me just explain this to you.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I just want something to or I'm not going to take you from my babies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we ain't going to take you from your babies and we're not going to take you babies from.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Fogum reappeared around 830 or 999.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The darkness outside now complete, clutching the purportedly signed custody document, Chandler scrutinized the signature, her eyes narrowing and skepticism, it lacked the familiar loops and florishes of strongs hand.
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[SPEAKER_11]: A forgery that screamed of deception, though Folgum insisted otherwise, with a fervor that bordered on menace.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Two days later, Chandler and Folgum wielded this dubious paper to enroll McKinsey in a nearby school.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The administrative process unfolding in a sterile office, were known questioned the
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[SPEAKER_11]: That same day, Amelia Carr moved into Chandler's home with Folgum, her pregnancy evident in the swell of her belly, the trio cohabiting the cramped quarters thick with unspoken rivalries.
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[SPEAKER_11]: A week or so later, they relocated to a nearby trailer park, the move a hasty shuffle of belongings under overcast skies, leaving behind an air of unease that clung to the walls like
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[SPEAKER_11]: Misty strong, Heather's cousin, and a steadfast link to her roots, felt a growing knot of worry tightening her chest.
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[SPEAKER_11]: As days passed by without a word from Heather, the two had grown-up like sisters in the humid, close-knit communities of their youth, sharing secrets and hardships.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Misty knew all too well, the controlling grip fogum held over Heather.
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[SPEAKER_11]: How he isolated her, denying her a cell phone or computer access, severing ties to family, as if pruning branches from a treaty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Phone calls were unanswered, messages vanished into silence, until on February 24th, Misty could bear in no longer and contacted the Marion County Sheriff's Office.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her voice steady but edged with fear as she reported Heather missing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's hard because
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're trying to understand what you're going to tell me, okay?
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[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of what you can tell me, we're going to know if it's a truth or not, okay?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that I hope that you don't think that you would be sitting here having this conversation with us if we wouldn't think in anything different.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I didn't kill her, but I can tell you details and I can tell you things about everything, but you can't, okay?
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[SPEAKER_18]: But I'm just saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you didn't kill her, okay, and you tell us, and we believe you, okay, we can't put you in jail for something you didn't.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Well, after Detective Boo, you played me that tape.
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[SPEAKER_18]: That's when I told him when we go out to the house every time he calls him, I want to all speak, and I want you to hear.
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[SPEAKER_18]: What he has to say, and I've been asking the questions Detective Bowie, why don't we ask him?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I'm trying to help.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I just, I don't want to be taking from my kids.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, I can tell you details that you guys probably already know.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I can say everything that happened to her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if you think we already know that stuff, and we haven't arrested you,
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's that ton?
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[SPEAKER_11]: Deputy Billings took the lead.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her investigation beginning with a methodical canvas of Heather's known associates, she interviewed James Acome, Heather's recent boyfriend, who recounted their shared apartment, in the abrupt disappearance on February 15.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His account laced with confusion and concern, from there the trail led to Folgham's volatile history with Heather.
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[SPEAKER_11]: including the January arrest for aggravated assault, conversations with friends and coworkers painted a picture of escalating discord, culminating on a beyond-the-lookout-a-word, for a missing 26-year-old, heard a description disseminated across law enforcement channels like a grim-wanted poster for the vanished.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I can't cross heaven.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Where?
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[SPEAKER_05]: in the trail.
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[SPEAKER_18]: In the trail.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I freak out, I check her pulse, I'm looking to see if she's breathing and I'm just checking and I walked out and he was there later that after I asked him what the hell did you do?
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[SPEAKER_18]: He told me that in the middle of the night after we wrote this, he brought her there and I guess he told her that he knew where I had money stashed to get her to go back there.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And that he basically, he had her side of the head was something and she was trying to leave and she broke the window and he left her there because he didn't know what to do with her how to dispose of her.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told him, I want nothing to do with his care to hell off my mom's property.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, this is on your mom's property.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is one big morning.
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[SPEAKER_18]: No, this is my nephew and when he got off work that he came out there that he had
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told my mother nothing to do with it and I walked out and I told her if you don't do something, I'm going to call the cops.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And what he did after that, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_18]: When you checked your pulse, you just seen nothing she was cold.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When she said in the chair, she was don't take to the chair.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, color chair.
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[SPEAKER_18]: It's the only one in that little kitchen area, it's a little plain chair.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told him, I said, you got to do something.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I said, I don't want this crap here.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I said, I don't know what the hell's gotten in you.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Do you need to do something?
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[SPEAKER_18]: And he asked my mom for a shovel.
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[SPEAKER_18]: What he did?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I didn't think he would bury her on my mother's property.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, that's just sick.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, it's bad enough we get done to do that and make it look the way it's looking now is just not okay.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And he told me if you tell anybody, I'll make sure you go down with me right next to her, right next to her, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So why didn't you tell us the truth?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you get him?
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[SPEAKER_18]: Why didn't you tell him?
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[SPEAKER_18]: He was scared.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, like I told you, I have kids, I mean, I've seen people go to prison for knowing stuff.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She went back and went into that window with her hand.
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[SPEAKER_07]: When she did, I grabbed her, and I put her in the chair.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I held her down with a chair.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She frightened me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: When she really couldn't, I don't want to be like, I have to hurt a little bit of staff.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So when they're during the last one, I just held her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a little tapered.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She had her arm around her legs, just trying to snap her neck.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So you had one, this hand right here, would come over her head,
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was still setting on her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And once I knew that Heather had gotten weak, I could tell she would get weak because she was just like, man, nothing.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum himself was questioned, his responses evasive, his demeanor a mask-of-famed ignorance that did little to dispel suspicion, as March unfolded, investigation intensified, with Amelia Carr drawn into the web of scrutiny, starting on March 18th, 2009, detectives at the Marion County Sheriff's Office conducted a series of interviews.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Shuffling her between interrogation rooms in her home, the back and forth a disorienting rhythm that war on her resolve.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Well, Amelia faced questions in one sterile space, Folgum occupied another.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The parallel sessions alone detectives to cross-reference statements, like pieces of a fractured puzzle.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Some exchanges occurred over the phone.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia initiating calls to add to incriminating layers to revolving narrative.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Initially, she professed complete ignorance of Heather's fate.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her words of flat denial delivered in the fluorescent wick confines of the station.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Armed with details, gleamed from fogam's interviews, detectives pressed her relentlessly.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Their voices insist in.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Urging truth amid the mounting contradictions, gradually, a milieu cracked, admitting that Folgham had appeared at her bedroom window in the early hours of February 16, whispering declarations of love before confessing to Heather's murder in the storage trailer, parked at the rear of her mother's property.
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[SPEAKER_11]: were a million resided with her children.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She claimed initial disbelief, dismissing the words his bluster, especially his macabre search and the alligators nearby Orange Lake, would consume the body, erasing all evidence in the murky waters.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Meanwhile,
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgan now under her arrest, bargained with authorities, offering to guide them to the burial site and exchange for considerations.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On March 19, he led a team to the property owned by Amelia's mother, the ground soft underfoot from recent rains, with consent from the owner and a search warrant secured shovels broke earth where he indicated.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Unirthing Heather Strong's decomposing remains from a shallow grave.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The body bloated and wreaking after weeks of exposure to the elements.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The discovery can firm the worst.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her identity verified through dental records and other markers.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The scene a tableau of horror amid the rural quietude.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Dr. Barbara Wolfe, the district medical examiner, conducted the autopsy and the cold clinical confines of the morgue.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her tools dissecting the ravaged form to uncover the cause, the examination revealed scant physical trauma, a bruise on the forehead, two inches wide, inflicted by blunt force, consistent with a flashlight strike, but non-lethal, merely a superficial wound that had oozed blood in life, no definitive cause emerged from the body alone, the decomposition-masking finer details.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Toxicology showed at Burakahal level of 0.099, indicating intoxication, but not fatality.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Evidence from the grave and trailer yielded no direct physical ties to Amelia, no fingerprints, DNA, or fiber linking her unequivocally, though remnants of duct tape cloned to the clothing, silent witnesses to the binding.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Undeterred, detectives persisted with Amelia's interviews.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her hints of withheld knowledge, dangling like bait.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She repeatedly bartered for immunity, positioning herself as a mere witness, not participant, in exchange for deeper revelations.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Expanding her story, she described Folgum's post-murder warning, not to venture to the back of the property, a directive that peaked her curiosity, venturing into the trailer she claimed to discover Heather's body, bound with duct tape to a chair, a sight that prompted her to break Folgum upon his return, demanding he dispose of it.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She supposedly expressed shock at the backyard burial, insisting she never anticipated such proximity.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum, she said, had learned Heather with promises of hidden money, confronting her about fleeing with the children before killing her.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia added that Folgum phoned her the night of the murder, outlining his plan, drawing her further into complicity,
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[SPEAKER_11]: who agreed to wear a wire for recorded conversation.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On a drive to a county park, the engine humming softly, gustiffs and prodded Amelia, gradually unraveled the tail.
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[SPEAKER_16]: This is the man of the media company.
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[SPEAKER_16]: He's breaking my heart.
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[SPEAKER_16]: He shouldn't be in there.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I'm telling you right now.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I want the truth to away from me.
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[SPEAKER_14]: You got to tell me truth, so I can feel me with jobs.
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[SPEAKER_14]: Wait, what do you say on your side?
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[SPEAKER_18]: What did he tell you?
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[SPEAKER_18]: And did he tell you ever recorded bones?
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[SPEAKER_18]: No.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Please tell me, just keep his mouth shut.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And he keeps his head up because everything's going to be okay.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I don't know when.
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[SPEAKER_18]: He's got to stop talking to them.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I can't sleep, I can't eat.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I had ate this.
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[SPEAKER_14]: Wansby.
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[SPEAKER_14]: So I won't be tail.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I don't even know.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I mean, it would be better, it would be better, no one.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I mean, not no one.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can you try to snap your knife, I mean, it weren't you, you day it.
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[SPEAKER_16]: He didn't see any on the ground, so I mean, I made more tones with you.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But why would you, why would you try to break her neck?
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[SPEAKER_13]: There was a recorder in her car.
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[SPEAKER_13]: There was a microphone in her car, so we could listen to you.
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[SPEAKER_13]: We didn't just stumble across that car, sitting in the park.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_13]: OK. We heard everything.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Now, let's go back to what I was just saying.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You have shown no remorse.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I'm not trying to be mean to quite frankly, so far, you have shown me.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You're at to like a cold, hard and hateful person who killed the mother of two children, OK?
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[SPEAKER_13]: No, because you sit right here, stone cold and stare in that man's face and lie to his face.
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[SPEAKER_13]: After you told that girl today, you tried to break her neck and it didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And then we're back.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Do you remember that?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You know what those words?
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[SPEAKER_13]: They came from horse mouth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Let's start over.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And I'm going to quit talking.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I don't have anything more to say.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I never have a soul here.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_09]: What does it go to?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I want to hear from you.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Get that bird off your back.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You've already admitted to it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You've gotten over that hurdle.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You have been admitted to killing someone.
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[SPEAKER_16]: No, I have read it to her.
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[SPEAKER_16]: That's everything.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And they work, she tells her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Where are you there?
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[SPEAKER_18]: All that I have there?
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[SPEAKER_13]: Every thing we're from here on out is on the right.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You were there when she died.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And then when I was talking to her.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what you did there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Let me tell you this.
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[SPEAKER_13]: As much as Josh has told us,
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[SPEAKER_13]: which is a lot.
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[SPEAKER_13]: He still says that you or the one bring killed her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I wasn't there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I can tell through our investigation and all the people we've talked to and all sitting through every single lie, Josh is thrown plenty of them up there, and you've thrown plenty of them up there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I know you were there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know who killed her at that moment that she died, but I do know you're both standing in that room.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_13]: Then if you have something to say that's not the same as what Josh says, excuse me, now's the tongue.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Don't give me that respect.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Don't nod.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, don't take.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not talking to you in sign language.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm talking to you person to person.
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[SPEAKER_10]: respectively.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to assume that you're not in your head, but is that right that you or there with Josh would Heather took her last breath?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I can't hear you.
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[SPEAKER_10]: What did you guys do after she took her last breath?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can I ask you something?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Can you answer that for me?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can you answer that for me?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can you answer that for me?
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[SPEAKER_16]: You're just gonna go ahead and rest me, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: There's no end one home tonight.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You keep looking at what you're sitting in here doing.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And you keep thinking that this is what's getting you in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_13]: What's getting you in trouble is the night of February 15th, okay?
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[SPEAKER_13]: This is why this all started.
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[SPEAKER_13]: From here on out, you've got a decision to make.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You can still play these games, and still try to wheeze a lot of whatever you think you can wheeze a lot of, or you can take the right path.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And the right path that's sitting in here saying, you know what, I did something, I did something wrong.
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[SPEAKER_13]: If I had to chance to take it back, I would, but I can't.
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[SPEAKER_13]: So you know what, here's what happens.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I apologize, if I could take it back, I would, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_13]: So far, the only thing you've done here is try to save your own behind, even though you killed a woman.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Thank you, sir.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You should then tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Because Josh says, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_13]: After you tried to break her neck and couldn't do it, you killed her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I did not kill her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Show me something different then.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Because Josh has been telling us the truth for several days.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I was scared.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Peter?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Was anyone stopping you from running out that door?
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[SPEAKER_18]: Peter, I guess that doesn't count, huh?
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[SPEAKER_10]: No, that's not, sweetheart.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_18]: But I just wish that you would take you to the nurse, but I was okay.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Don't make what you think you're guilty of.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Okay, I'm lost.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Who's sorry?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'll be in a monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll help you in a monster.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't intend to help you.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'll help you in a monster.
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[SPEAKER_10]: do you need to use the restroom?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you okay?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you hurting?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I guess I should ask that because I know that you're not okay.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you physically okay?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I'll explain this take me over to the book.
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[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to do a fake book right now.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_11]: confronted with the recording at the sheriff's office, Amelia aligned her account in meeting presence in action in assistance under Fulham's orders, confessing as a principal, piecing confessions, documents, testimonies, and autopsy, the horror became clarified.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I received a call from your mom that you want to talk to me.
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[SPEAKER_15]: In a reason why you didn't send a request for I did okay, but I had called my mom first and then did their question So I'll be getting that Okay, I don't know mine.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, but you do want to talk to me.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, without a presence of your attorney I've just told my attorney not too long ago Well before I can speak with your buddy.
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[SPEAKER_10]: You want to talk about we have to go to the same stuff we went to Okay, okay
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[SPEAKER_15]: I just kind of wanted to read some things by you, after... Well, nothing is on your level.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, nothing is off the record.
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[SPEAKER_10]: This is very, very serious.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_10]: If you want to tell me something, I'm here to listen to you.
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[SPEAKER_10]: But I understand that I'm going to do my job correctly.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to make sure you know your rights.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_16]: My turn is gonna be pissed, so I'm talking to you without her here.
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[SPEAKER_10]: That's your choice.
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[SPEAKER_11]: And the dim flickering candlelight of a cluttered storage trailer, tucked away in rural boardman Florida, on the evening of February 15th, 2009, Heather Strong found herself and snared in a deadly trap, orchestrated by her ex-partner Joshua Folgham, and his pregnant lover, Amelia Carr.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Lured there under the false promise of retrieving some cash, the 26-year-old mother of two walked into what would become her final, agonizing moments, a scene piece together from court testimonies, confessions and forensic evidence that painted a picture of calculated betrayal,
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[SPEAKER_11]: The air in the trailer hung heavy with tension as Folgum in front of strong, about custody papers for their children.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His voice sharp and accusatory, she had barely settled into the space, surrounded by half-hazard piles of junk, in the fame-atallic tang of duct tape rolls scattered about when the attack began.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum fueled by simmering rage over past grievances,
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[SPEAKER_11]: grabbed her and forced her into a small blue computer chair.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His grip unyielding as he held her down with a superior strained.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Car, seven months pregnant, and driven by jealousy over phlegms lingering ties to strong, joined in without hesitation.
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[SPEAKER_11]: ripping strips of gray duct tape from nearby roll.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They worked in tandem, wrapping the sticky bands tightly around strong wrists, binding them to the chair's arms, then securing her ankles together, and her chest to the backrest.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Later after Lair, until she could barely switch, Strong's claustrophobia surged.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She begged them not to taper, her voice cracking with panic as the adhesive pull that are skinned, and restricted her breathing even before the worst came, but her strength was only the prelude.
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[SPEAKER_11]: As Strong sobbed, asking Josh Y, including with Car from Mercy, helped me please, Car position
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[SPEAKER_11]: her hands clamping around strong snack in a brutal attempt to snap it.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She twisted hard once.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Then twice aiming for what she later described in Confessions as a quick and painless end.
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[SPEAKER_11]: But Strong's body resisted, her muscles tensing and desperate survival instinct, cars hands shook with the effort, her grip slipping on sweat slick skin, failing to deliver the fatal crack.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Frustration mounted, Strong thrashed wildly, her cries muffled but piercing,
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[SPEAKER_11]: Echoing off the trailer's thin walls as Car's hands attempted to snap her neck, jerking it over and over.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In the chaos, she managed to brief surge of strength, knocking the pregnant car to the ground, and shattering a small window in a frantic bid for a
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[SPEAKER_11]: She urinated on herself, the warm liquid soaking through her jeans, as Foldham dragged her back to the chair, his eyes glazed with fury.
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[SPEAKER_11]: He struck her hard on the forehead with a flashlight, the impacts splitting the device and leaving a two-inch bruise.
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[SPEAKER_11]: That oozed blood, her scalp throbbing with each heartbeat, with strong subdued once more, the pair escalated to suffocation, car grabbed a black plastic garbage bag from the trailer's clutter, thin and crinkling material that wrestled ominously in her hands, and stretched it over strong's head.
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[SPEAKER_11]: going it down to envelop her face completely.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The bag clung to her skin like a second suffocating layer, fogging with her frantic breath as she gasped for air, that wouldn't come.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folkham tightened it further, his fingers pressing the edges against her neck, will car-handed him more duct tape to seal the horror in place.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They wrapped it around her
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[SPEAKER_11]: compressing her windpipe and ensuring no sliver of oxygen, it slipped through.
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[SPEAKER_11]: For an added measure, Folgham clamped his hand over her covered nose and mouth, feeling the desperate heaves of her chest beneath the restraints.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Strong's world narrowed to pure agony in those final minutes, estimated by medical examiners at around five excruciating ones.
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[SPEAKER_11]: where she remained fully conscious, her ones burned with a futile pull for air, each inhale drawing the plastic tighter against her lips and nostrils.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The material sucking inward like a vacuum of death, she squirmed and bucked against the tape, her body convulsed in waves of panic that share creaking under the strain as her muffled wimpers turned to gurgles, blood from
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[SPEAKER_11]: her vision boring as oxygen deprivation sent in, her mind racing with a horrifying realization that escape was impossible.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The trailer filled with the stench of fear and exertion, her bladder already emptied, now joined by the metallic scent of blood.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Slowly, her struggles weakened, her body went limp, slumping forward with her head falling to the side.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The bag still plastered tour-a-wifeless face.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Volgan peeled back the tape to check.
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[SPEAKER_11]: No pulse, no breath.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It confirmed that the deed was done.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In the aftermath, they wrapped her head in a blanket, stuffed her cooling body into a suitcase, and buried it in a shallow grave nearby, where it decomposed for weeks until discovery on March 19th.
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[SPEAKER_11]: bloated and wreaking, with duct tape remnants clinging to her clothes, and DNA linking back to the scene.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Cars confession and given repeatedly the detectives, and captured in undercovering recordings, revealed her cold admission.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia Cars trial for the kidnapping and first-degree murder of Heather
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[SPEAKER_11]: Following jury selection with circuit judge Willard Pope presiding, prior to the trial, Carhead refused a plea deal offered by the prosecution that would have resulted in a life sentence without the possibility of parole, opting instead to proceed to trial where the states sought the death penalty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The guilt phase concluded on December 7th, 2010, after approximately two and a half hours of deliberations, with the jury finding her guilty on both counts, based on evidence including her multiple confessions, witness testimonies about her prior threats against strong.
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[SPEAKER_11]: and physical evidence linking her to the crime scene, such as DNA and duct tape remnants.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The penalty phase began shortly thereafter, unfolding after several days.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The prosecution presented victim impact evidence, including testimony from Strong's mother, about the profound effects on Strong's two young children, who were ultimately adopted out following the murder.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They also played recordings of cars' statements to law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Highlighting her role in the suffocation and her lack of remorse.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In mitigation, cars defense team focused on her traumatic background, calling family members to testify about her child's sexual abuse by her father and grandfather, starting at the age of five.
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[SPEAKER_11]: which led to her temporary removal from the home by child services.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On February 22, 2011, Judge Pope handed down the death sentence by lethal injection, aligning squarely with the jury's advisory vote.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Following the sentence, Car was transported to the Lowell Correctional Institution inics, joining the sparse ranks of Florida's women on death row, her cellestarken closure, where the weight of her fate settled in the quiet hours,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He read the sentence and then he said make out her mercy on your soul and actually had something written down that I read afterwards about the entire thing But it's more like shock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does it really Thinking because my mom was there and my little sister and my best friend at the time and you know, I'm sitting there thinking Because I'm you know, I had already prepared myself so new.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, everybody was talking about it You know, they'd never had a case like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was convicted before I went to trial
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the media, you know, in the local pavers, the stuff I was already convicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had already had my mind set that either way and you know I was going to prison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just my family I was concerned for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he read the sentence and my mom, and my mom just collapsed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew I couldn't cry, I had to be strong, yes, my mom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I turned around and I was like, it's okay, it's not over, we're gonna fight this, it's okay, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you get back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I'm from the I grew up with a lot of people that worked at the county jail and stuff and you can see them crying and that's what it hit me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of like you're just, you're in the shop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're just like, that didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it happened, that didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In January 2016, the United States Supreme Court issued a landmark ruling in herst versus Florida declaring the state's death penalty wall unconstitutional for permitting judges to impose capital punishment based on jury recommendations that were not unanimous.
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[SPEAKER_11]: A violation of the Sixth Amendment's guarantee of a fair jury trial, this decision
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[SPEAKER_11]: As a fatal fall in the process, the Florida Supreme Court extended the herst ruling retroactively to select cases, sparking a wave of resenting things across the state's death-ropopulation, faced with the prospect of a protracted new penalty-phase trial, laid in with costs and delays, prosecutors opted for a pragmatic resolution, and consented to a wife sentence.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On June 6, 2017, Car appeared once more before the court,
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[SPEAKER_11]: where she was resendants to life and imprisonment without the chance of parole, a shift that lifted her from the isolation of death row, and integrated her into the general prison population.
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[SPEAKER_11]: As of 2022, she continues to serve the sentence within the confines of the Florida Correctional System.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her days marked by the mononus routine of incarceration.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Joshua Folgham's trial began in early April, 2012, in the familiar confines of the Marion County Courthouse, with circuit judge Brian D. Lambert, presiding over a courtroom, where the stakes remained illegally high.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The prosecution pushed for the death penalty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Casting Folgam as the mastermind, who enticed strong to the trailer with false promises, bound her in a web of tape and terror, and sealed her fate through suffocation.
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[SPEAKER_11]: All amid the poisonous dynamics of a love triangle, driven by jealousy and bitter custody fights.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His defense counsel, countered by advocating for a secondary murder conviction.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Stressing the impulsive heat of the moment over any cold pre-meditation, there arguments unfolding in intense atmosphere, thick with legal maneuvering.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On April 12, 2012, following less than two hours of deliberation, and a sequestered room, the jury returned with convictions on both counts, dismissing the lesser charge in affirming pre-meditation, based on a tapestry of testimonies,
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[SPEAKER_11]: and evidence of folgums opportunistic use of strong credit cards in the aftermath.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The penalty phase ensued the next week, with the state reiterating the aggravating circumstances akin to those in car's trial.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The crimes entanglement with kidnapping, it's heinous and cruel execution, marked by strongs that draw now anguish, and the calculated premeditation, evident prior discussions and lures, the defense presented mitigating
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[SPEAKER_11]: Those specifics from arguments remain sparse in public records.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They emphasized aspects of Folgan's background.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The relational chaos and potential for redemption to tilt the jury towards mercy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The jury's recommendation came as life imprisonment without parole, voted 8-4.
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[SPEAKER_11]: with eight favoring life and four leaning toward death, a decision that spared him the ultimate penalty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: At the sentencing hearing on April 25, 2012, Judge Lambert delivered the verdict in an open court placing great weight on the jury's advisory input as mandated by Florida law at that era.
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[SPEAKER_11]: He sentenced Folgan to life without parole for murder.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Stacking a consecutive life term for the kidnapping, blocking him away for eternity in the state's prison system.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum's sentence stands unaltered to this day, listener, with no major appeals yielding changes as of 2006.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His existence confined to the grim routine of his incarceration.
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[SPEAKER_11]: This is where the file closes, listener.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Though nothing about it is finished, the evidence has been catalogued.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The testimony weighed, the sentence is fixed in ink that will not fade.
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[SPEAKER_11]: What remains is the residue, the kind that seeps into the walls and never leaves.
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[SPEAKER_11]: There is no revelation left on cover here.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Only the knowledge of what people are capable of, when obsession is mistaken for love, and control mistaken for necessity.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The machinery of justice did what it always does.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It processed bodies, statements, timelines and motives.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It translated fear into legal languages and suffering into numbered exhibits.
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[SPEAKER_11]: and name the axe and assign the punishment that it moved on.
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[SPEAKER_11]: But, listener, justice is not restore breath to the ones or return a woman to her children.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It is not relying the moment when escape was still possible.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It simply records the damage and locks it away.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Heather Strong must not be absorbed into the noise of the case.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was not the sum of what was done to her.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was a mother whose absence reshaped her children's lives, in ways no sentence can address.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was a daughter whose name still echoes in a family.
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[SPEAKER_11]: that will always be missing one voice.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was a victim of a violence that was slow, deliberate, and indifferent to her terror.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Remembering her means refusing to let her be reduced evidence, or narrative convenience.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It means acknowledging that her wife mattered long before it was extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_11]: This has been obscure.
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[SPEAKER_11]: We document what happened because forgetting is easier and because the dead cannot argue for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_11]: I thank you for listening and keep the fire burning.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Welcome back to Obscura, where the veil lifts on the unspoken horrors that work in the everyday.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In part one, we trace the fractured paths that led three lives to collide, an storm of jealousy and control.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Now, in the second installment, we descend into the abyss of that faithful night.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Unraveling the brutal mechanics of betrayal, the relentless pursuit of truth by those left behind, and the cold hand of justice, that sought to balance the scales, brace yourself as we confront the raw edges of human darkness, or whispers turned to screams, and consequences echo eternally.
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[SPEAKER_11]: All right, let's get on with it.
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[SPEAKER_12]: Welcome, listener.
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[SPEAKER_12]: I'm glad you're here.
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[SPEAKER_12]: Take a seat.
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[SPEAKER_12]: Next to the fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Obscura, where we shine a light on the dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you tell you, did she get your home?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I can't see how you're home, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she was a little bit more honest.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See how that works?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna tell you what this is without a toe, right here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I would tell her she was going to leave it alone.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I was told that she's going to leave it alone.
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[SPEAKER_08]: I'm telling you, you told me that you told him that.
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[SPEAKER_08]: We know that he brought her back to the house that night.
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[SPEAKER_17]: I was home that night.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Listen, your heart is about to jump out of your chest.
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[SPEAKER_17]: Because I was home at my mom.
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[SPEAKER_08]: You're already about to jump out of your chest.
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[SPEAKER_17]: That pisses me off.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, don't do this to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Don't do this to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_17]: As my mom, I was home.
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[SPEAKER_08]: Don't do this to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_17]: What does he say when I did it?
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[SPEAKER_08]: That you said it out.
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[SPEAKER_11]: During Joshua's incarceration in January 2009, Amelia spent time with Jason Lachaw and a comb friends from her earlier years on a trip to the store to buy diapers, Amelia offered $500 to Lachaw and a comb.
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[SPEAKER_11]: If they would get her strong drunk, allowing Amelia to kill her by snapping her neck,
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[SPEAKER_11]: Met Amelia after she moved into the trailer park, Stover's younger brother was close friends with Joshua Folgam.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In January, Will Joshua was in jail.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia called Stover multiple times, Amelia expressed frustration, believing Heather had falsely accused Joshua of assault and rape, leading to his imprisonment.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She declared her love for Joshua, and her desire for his release, Amelia offered $500 for someone to kill Heather, stating she would do it herself, but could not handle moving the body because of her advanced pregnancy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Stover did not take the offer seriously.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia had recently received her income tax refund.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Upon his release from the Marion County jail on February 6, 2009, after serving time for aggravated assault, Joshua Fogum made his way to the modest home of his mother, Judy Chandler, an equivalent wooded section of the county, where trailers and small houses dotted the
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[SPEAKER_11]: The air was thick with the damp chill of late winter and Florida, the kind that seeps into the bones and lingers, mirroring the unresolved tensions in Fogum's life.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Chandler's residence provided a temporary haven, a place where Fogum could regroup amid the clutter of everyday domesticity, but it was far from peaceful.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The shadows of his volatile relationship with strong loomed large in his mind, compounded by his ongoing entanglement with Amelia Carr.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Nine days later, on the afternoon of Sunday, February 15th, Chandler at her sons' behest, drafted a custody letter, a stark handwritten document, intended for Heather to sign.
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[SPEAKER_11]: We're linkishing primary care of their two young children, McKenzie and Zachary, to Folgum.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She penned the words, unaware of the sinister role it would play in the unfolding tragedy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Later that day, as the sun dipped low, casting long shadows over the driveway gravel, Chandler returned home to witness Folgum and strong.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Pulling away in their car, their figures were seeding into the distance, like a fleeting illusion.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Entering the house, she found the children left behind.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Their small face is peering up with innocent confusion, abandon without explanation, and the dim, living room light.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, Josh has said, because he asked me about it.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told him I said, Josh, don't you think you're going to pull a knife on her?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I'd be sitting on the other side of the county jail.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Said the reason why you didn't.
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[SPEAKER_10]: The reason why she didn't.
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[SPEAKER_18]: It's because you're pregnant and she wants to see you go to jail with that baby and I highly doubt that because if anything, she'll want me to have this baby.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I live now, I don't know what else to tell you, I don't know where she's at, man.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just want to sleep and you know.
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[SPEAKER_10]: So you tell me, I'm really, you know, she knows everything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What we watch you to do is listen to us right now.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't say anything.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, you know what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have been in here since last night answering questions, telling us lies, telling us the truth, telling us lies back and forth.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that stops here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we found Heather.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, she's obviously murdered.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we've been speaking with Josh all night.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we've been listening, let the new listen to some of the things he's been saying, and we've been telling him some of the things you've been saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: That's not an attempt to play you one against the other.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's an attempt to get the truth out of two people that are lying to is very much.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, I want to tell you how you stand right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: OK, you don't stand so well, OK?
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[UNKNOWN]: Because everything is pointing to a million, how I'm going to explain that to you.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I want you to listen to me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm asking questions.
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[UNKNOWN]: We have a million, that's you in the middle, okay?
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[UNKNOWN]: And these are all the things that are against the milieu.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, the body was found in your property.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, when you're living, we have habit.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, obviously she's deceased.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But Josh was going to go back with her, the father of her baby.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we have Chrissy, and we have James involved.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Chrissy's like, yeah, you know, she held a knife,
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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't deny it, don't admit it, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because I don't want to lie out of your mouth until you hear what I have to say.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but I still have everything pointing to you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can put you in prison for the rest of your life just with this evidence, okay?
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But I need to give a million chance because you've been lying to us all night, you've been telling us to truth here, you've been telling us lies there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that stops right now, because it's a million, her baby are being affected now.
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[SPEAKER_18]: and I've been making effort when technically with phone calls.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're being affected now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because you don't want your baby born a person.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't want your baby born a person.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying that's where you're going to end up.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But if I have to use all this stuff against you, you're the only suspect that I have right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That can win in court.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So I want to know from you, exactly what happened.
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[SPEAKER_04]: No more of this, I think, or I heard nothing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want the truth.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, the truth starts right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Because now we ain't playing.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You never met me before, you have to trust me.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You have to trust this man too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been doing this a lot longer than I have.
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[SPEAKER_04]: He's been doing it 30 years, I'm gonna do it in a truck.
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[SPEAKER_04]: don't want you to either.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And then I can hand you a job on the silver plot.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's get through this, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And keep your kids in your mind.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And then you... Also, I'm saying, I mean, I can say everything that I know.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: How you want to do that?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I want me any.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I will testify.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I will.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's hear what you have to say for that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't promise you nothing.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, let's see that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Let me just explain this to you.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I just want something to or I'm not going to take you from my babies.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But we ain't going to take you from your babies and we're not going to take you babies from.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Fogum reappeared around 830 or 999.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The darkness outside now complete, clutching the purportedly signed custody document, Chandler scrutinized the signature, her eyes narrowing and skepticism, it lacked the familiar loops and florishes of strongs hand.
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[SPEAKER_11]: A forgery that screamed of deception, though Folgum insisted otherwise, with a fervor that bordered on menace.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Two days later, Chandler and Folgum wielded this dubious paper to enroll McKinsey in a nearby school.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The administrative process unfolding in a sterile office, were known questioned the
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[SPEAKER_11]: That same day, Amelia Carr moved into Chandler's home with Folgum, her pregnancy evident in the swell of her belly, the trio cohabiting the cramped quarters thick with unspoken rivalries.
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[SPEAKER_11]: A week or so later, they relocated to a nearby trailer park, the move a hasty shuffle of belongings under overcast skies, leaving behind an air of unease that clung to the walls like
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[SPEAKER_11]: Misty strong, Heather's cousin, and a steadfast link to her roots, felt a growing knot of worry tightening her chest.
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[SPEAKER_11]: As days passed by without a word from Heather, the two had grown-up like sisters in the humid, close-knit communities of their youth, sharing secrets and hardships.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Misty knew all too well, the controlling grip fogum held over Heather.
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[SPEAKER_11]: How he isolated her, denying her a cell phone or computer access, severing ties to family, as if pruning branches from a treaty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Phone calls were unanswered, messages vanished into silence, until on February 24th, Misty could bear in no longer and contacted the Marion County Sheriff's Office.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her voice steady but edged with fear as she reported Heather missing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's hard because
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[SPEAKER_05]: We're trying to understand what you're going to tell me, okay?
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[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of what you can tell me, we're going to know if it's a truth or not, okay?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think that I hope that you don't think that you would be sitting here having this conversation with us if we wouldn't think in anything different.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I didn't kill her, but I can tell you details and I can tell you things about everything, but you can't, okay?
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[SPEAKER_18]: But I'm just saying.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you didn't kill her, okay, and you tell us, and we believe you, okay, we can't put you in jail for something you didn't.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Well, after Detective Boo, you played me that tape.
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[SPEAKER_18]: That's when I told him when we go out to the house every time he calls him, I want to all speak, and I want you to hear.
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[SPEAKER_18]: What he has to say, and I've been asking the questions Detective Bowie, why don't we ask him?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I'm trying to help.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I just, I don't want to be taking from my kids.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, I can tell you details that you guys probably already know.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I can say everything that happened to her.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So if you think we already know that stuff, and we haven't arrested you,
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[SPEAKER_04]: What's that ton?
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[SPEAKER_11]: Deputy Billings took the lead.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her investigation beginning with a methodical canvas of Heather's known associates, she interviewed James Acome, Heather's recent boyfriend, who recounted their shared apartment, in the abrupt disappearance on February 15.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His account laced with confusion and concern, from there the trail led to Folgham's volatile history with Heather.
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[SPEAKER_11]: including the January arrest for aggravated assault, conversations with friends and coworkers painted a picture of escalating discord, culminating on a beyond-the-lookout-a-word, for a missing 26-year-old, heard a description disseminated across law enforcement channels like a grim-wanted poster for the vanished.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I can't cross heaven.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Where?
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[SPEAKER_05]: in the trail.
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[SPEAKER_18]: In the trail.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I freak out, I check her pulse, I'm looking to see if she's breathing and I'm just checking and I walked out and he was there later that after I asked him what the hell did you do?
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[SPEAKER_18]: He told me that in the middle of the night after we wrote this, he brought her there and I guess he told her that he knew where I had money stashed to get her to go back there.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And that he basically, he had her side of the head was something and she was trying to leave and she broke the window and he left her there because he didn't know what to do with her how to dispose of her.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told him, I want nothing to do with his care to hell off my mom's property.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, this is on your mom's property.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And this is one big morning.
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[SPEAKER_18]: No, this is my nephew and when he got off work that he came out there that he had
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told my mother nothing to do with it and I walked out and I told her if you don't do something, I'm going to call the cops.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And what he did after that, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_18]: When you checked your pulse, you just seen nothing she was cold.
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[SPEAKER_05]: When she said in the chair, she was don't take to the chair.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, color chair.
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[SPEAKER_18]: It's the only one in that little kitchen area, it's a little plain chair.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And I told him, I said, you got to do something.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I said, I don't want this crap here.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I said, I don't know what the hell's gotten in you.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Do you need to do something?
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[SPEAKER_18]: And he asked my mom for a shovel.
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[SPEAKER_18]: What he did?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I didn't think he would bury her on my mother's property.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, that's just sick.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, it's bad enough we get done to do that and make it look the way it's looking now is just not okay.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And he told me if you tell anybody, I'll make sure you go down with me right next to her, right next to her, okay.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So why didn't you tell us the truth?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you get him?
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[SPEAKER_18]: Why didn't you tell him?
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[SPEAKER_18]: He was scared.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I mean, like I told you, I have kids, I mean, I've seen people go to prison for knowing stuff.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She went back and went into that window with her hand.
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[SPEAKER_07]: When she did, I grabbed her, and I put her in the chair.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And I held her down with a chair.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She frightened me.
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[SPEAKER_07]: When she really couldn't, I don't want to be like, I have to hurt a little bit of staff.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So when they're during the last one, I just held her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a little tapered.
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[SPEAKER_07]: She had her arm around her legs, just trying to snap her neck.
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[SPEAKER_07]: So you had one, this hand right here, would come over her head,
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was still setting on her.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And once I knew that Heather had gotten weak, I could tell she would get weak because she was just like, man, nothing.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum himself was questioned, his responses evasive, his demeanor a mask-of-famed ignorance that did little to dispel suspicion, as March unfolded, investigation intensified, with Amelia Carr drawn into the web of scrutiny, starting on March 18th, 2009, detectives at the Marion County Sheriff's Office conducted a series of interviews.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Shuffling her between interrogation rooms in her home, the back and forth a disorienting rhythm that war on her resolve.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Well, Amelia faced questions in one sterile space, Folgum occupied another.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The parallel sessions alone detectives to cross-reference statements, like pieces of a fractured puzzle.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Some exchanges occurred over the phone.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia initiating calls to add to incriminating layers to revolving narrative.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Initially, she professed complete ignorance of Heather's fate.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her words of flat denial delivered in the fluorescent wick confines of the station.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Armed with details, gleamed from fogam's interviews, detectives pressed her relentlessly.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Their voices insist in.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Urging truth amid the mounting contradictions, gradually, a milieu cracked, admitting that Folgham had appeared at her bedroom window in the early hours of February 16, whispering declarations of love before confessing to Heather's murder in the storage trailer, parked at the rear of her mother's property.
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[SPEAKER_11]: were a million resided with her children.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She claimed initial disbelief, dismissing the words his bluster, especially his macabre search and the alligators nearby Orange Lake, would consume the body, erasing all evidence in the murky waters.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Meanwhile,
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgan now under her arrest, bargained with authorities, offering to guide them to the burial site and exchange for considerations.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On March 19, he led a team to the property owned by Amelia's mother, the ground soft underfoot from recent rains, with consent from the owner and a search warrant secured shovels broke earth where he indicated.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Unirthing Heather Strong's decomposing remains from a shallow grave.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The body bloated and wreaking after weeks of exposure to the elements.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The discovery can firm the worst.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her identity verified through dental records and other markers.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The scene a tableau of horror amid the rural quietude.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Dr. Barbara Wolfe, the district medical examiner, conducted the autopsy and the cold clinical confines of the morgue.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her tools dissecting the ravaged form to uncover the cause, the examination revealed scant physical trauma, a bruise on the forehead, two inches wide, inflicted by blunt force, consistent with a flashlight strike, but non-lethal, merely a superficial wound that had oozed blood in life, no definitive cause emerged from the body alone, the decomposition-masking finer details.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Toxicology showed at Burakahal level of 0.099, indicating intoxication, but not fatality.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Evidence from the grave and trailer yielded no direct physical ties to Amelia, no fingerprints, DNA, or fiber linking her unequivocally, though remnants of duct tape cloned to the clothing, silent witnesses to the binding.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Undeterred, detectives persisted with Amelia's interviews.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her hints of withheld knowledge, dangling like bait.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She repeatedly bartered for immunity, positioning herself as a mere witness, not participant, in exchange for deeper revelations.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Expanding her story, she described Folgum's post-murder warning, not to venture to the back of the property, a directive that peaked her curiosity, venturing into the trailer she claimed to discover Heather's body, bound with duct tape to a chair, a sight that prompted her to break Folgum upon his return, demanding he dispose of it.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She supposedly expressed shock at the backyard burial, insisting she never anticipated such proximity.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum, she said, had learned Heather with promises of hidden money, confronting her about fleeing with the children before killing her.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia added that Folgum phoned her the night of the murder, outlining his plan, drawing her further into complicity,
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[SPEAKER_11]: who agreed to wear a wire for recorded conversation.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On a drive to a county park, the engine humming softly, gustiffs and prodded Amelia, gradually unraveled the tail.
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[SPEAKER_16]: This is the man of the media company.
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[SPEAKER_16]: He's breaking my heart.
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[SPEAKER_16]: He shouldn't be in there.
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[SPEAKER_16]: I'm telling you right now.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I want the truth to away from me.
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[SPEAKER_14]: You got to tell me truth, so I can feel me with jobs.
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[SPEAKER_14]: Wait, what do you say on your side?
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[SPEAKER_18]: What did he tell you?
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[SPEAKER_18]: And did he tell you ever recorded bones?
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[SPEAKER_18]: No.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Please tell me, just keep his mouth shut.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And he keeps his head up because everything's going to be okay.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I don't know when.
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[SPEAKER_18]: He's got to stop talking to them.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I can't sleep, I can't eat.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I had ate this.
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[SPEAKER_14]: Wansby.
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[SPEAKER_14]: So I won't be tail.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I don't even know.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I mean, it would be better, it would be better, no one.
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[SPEAKER_14]: I mean, not no one.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can you try to snap your knife, I mean, it weren't you, you day it.
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[SPEAKER_16]: He didn't see any on the ground, so I mean, I made more tones with you.
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[SPEAKER_16]: But why would you, why would you try to break her neck?
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[SPEAKER_13]: There was a recorder in her car.
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[SPEAKER_13]: There was a microphone in her car, so we could listen to you.
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[SPEAKER_13]: We didn't just stumble across that car, sitting in the park.
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_13]: OK. We heard everything.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Now, let's go back to what I was just saying.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You have shown no remorse.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I'm not trying to be mean to quite frankly, so far, you have shown me.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You're at to like a cold, hard and hateful person who killed the mother of two children, OK?
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[SPEAKER_13]: No, because you sit right here, stone cold and stare in that man's face and lie to his face.
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[SPEAKER_13]: After you told that girl today, you tried to break her neck and it didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And then we're back.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Do you remember that?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You know what those words?
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[SPEAKER_13]: They came from horse mouth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Let's start over.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And I'm going to quit talking.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I don't have anything more to say.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I never have a soul here.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_09]: What does it go to?
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_09]: I want to hear from you.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Get that bird off your back.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You've already admitted to it.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You've gotten over that hurdle.
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[SPEAKER_09]: You have been admitted to killing someone.
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[SPEAKER_16]: No, I have read it to her.
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[SPEAKER_16]: That's everything.
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[SPEAKER_16]: And they work, she tells her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Where are you there?
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[SPEAKER_18]: All that I have there?
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[SPEAKER_13]: Every thing we're from here on out is on the right.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You were there when she died.
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[SPEAKER_18]: And then when I was talking to her.
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[SPEAKER_09]: Tell me what you did there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Let me tell you this.
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[SPEAKER_13]: As much as Josh has told us,
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[SPEAKER_13]: which is a lot.
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[SPEAKER_13]: He still says that you or the one bring killed her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I wasn't there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I can tell through our investigation and all the people we've talked to and all sitting through every single lie, Josh is thrown plenty of them up there, and you've thrown plenty of them up there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I know you were there.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know who killed her at that moment that she died, but I do know you're both standing in that room.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_13]: Then if you have something to say that's not the same as what Josh says, excuse me, now's the tongue.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Don't give me that respect.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Don't nod.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, don't take.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Is that right?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not talking to you in sign language.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm talking to you person to person.
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[SPEAKER_10]: respectively.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I don't want to assume that you're not in your head, but is that right that you or there with Josh would Heather took her last breath?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I can't hear you.
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[SPEAKER_10]: What did you guys do after she took her last breath?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can I ask you something?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Can you answer that for me?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can you answer that for me?
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[SPEAKER_16]: Can you answer that for me?
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[SPEAKER_16]: You're just gonna go ahead and rest me, right?
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[SPEAKER_16]: There's no end one home tonight.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You keep looking at what you're sitting in here doing.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And you keep thinking that this is what's getting you in trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_13]: What's getting you in trouble is the night of February 15th, okay?
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[SPEAKER_13]: This is why this all started.
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[SPEAKER_13]: From here on out, you've got a decision to make.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You can still play these games, and still try to wheeze a lot of whatever you think you can wheeze a lot of, or you can take the right path.
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[SPEAKER_13]: And the right path that's sitting in here saying, you know what, I did something, I did something wrong.
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[SPEAKER_13]: If I had to chance to take it back, I would, but I can't.
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[SPEAKER_13]: So you know what, here's what happens.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I apologize, if I could take it back, I would, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_13]: So far, the only thing you've done here is try to save your own behind, even though you killed a woman.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Thank you, sir.
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[SPEAKER_13]: You should then tell me what happened.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Because Josh says, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_13]: After you tried to break her neck and couldn't do it, you killed her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: I did not kill her.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Show me something different then.
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[SPEAKER_13]: Because Josh has been telling us the truth for several days.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I was scared.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Peter?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Was anyone stopping you from running out that door?
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[SPEAKER_18]: Peter, I guess that doesn't count, huh?
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[SPEAKER_10]: No, that's not, sweetheart.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_18]: But I just wish that you would take you to the nurse, but I was okay.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Don't make what you think you're guilty of.
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[SPEAKER_18]: Okay, I'm lost.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Who's sorry?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'll be in a monster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll help you in a monster.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't intend to help you.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'll help you in a monster.
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[SPEAKER_10]: do you need to use the restroom?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you okay?
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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you hurting?
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[SPEAKER_10]: I guess I should ask that because I know that you're not okay.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Are you physically okay?
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[SPEAKER_18]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_18]: I'll explain this take me over to the book.
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[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to do a fake book right now.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay?
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[SPEAKER_11]: confronted with the recording at the sheriff's office, Amelia aligned her account in meeting presence in action in assistance under Fulham's orders, confessing as a principal, piecing confessions, documents, testimonies, and autopsy, the horror became clarified.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I received a call from your mom that you want to talk to me.
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[SPEAKER_15]: In a reason why you didn't send a request for I did okay, but I had called my mom first and then did their question So I'll be getting that Okay, I don't know mine.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, but you do want to talk to me.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, without a presence of your attorney I've just told my attorney not too long ago Well before I can speak with your buddy.
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[SPEAKER_10]: You want to talk about we have to go to the same stuff we went to Okay, okay
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[SPEAKER_15]: I just kind of wanted to read some things by you, after... Well, nothing is on your level.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, nothing is off the record.
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[SPEAKER_10]: This is very, very serious.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_10]: If you want to tell me something, I'm here to listen to you.
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[SPEAKER_10]: But I understand that I'm going to do my job correctly.
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[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to make sure you know your rights.
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[SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_16]: My turn is gonna be pissed, so I'm talking to you without her here.
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[SPEAKER_10]: That's your choice.
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[SPEAKER_11]: And the dim flickering candlelight of a cluttered storage trailer, tucked away in rural boardman Florida, on the evening of February 15th, 2009, Heather Strong found herself and snared in a deadly trap, orchestrated by her ex-partner Joshua Folgham, and his pregnant lover, Amelia Carr.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Lured there under the false promise of retrieving some cash, the 26-year-old mother of two walked into what would become her final, agonizing moments, a scene piece together from court testimonies, confessions and forensic evidence that painted a picture of calculated betrayal,
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[SPEAKER_11]: The air in the trailer hung heavy with tension as Folgum in front of strong, about custody papers for their children.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His voice sharp and accusatory, she had barely settled into the space, surrounded by half-hazard piles of junk, in the fame-atallic tang of duct tape rolls scattered about when the attack began.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum fueled by simmering rage over past grievances,
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[SPEAKER_11]: grabbed her and forced her into a small blue computer chair.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His grip unyielding as he held her down with a superior strained.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Car, seven months pregnant, and driven by jealousy over phlegms lingering ties to strong, joined in without hesitation.
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[SPEAKER_11]: ripping strips of gray duct tape from nearby roll.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They worked in tandem, wrapping the sticky bands tightly around strong wrists, binding them to the chair's arms, then securing her ankles together, and her chest to the backrest.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Later after Lair, until she could barely switch, Strong's claustrophobia surged.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She begged them not to taper, her voice cracking with panic as the adhesive pull that are skinned, and restricted her breathing even before the worst came, but her strength was only the prelude.
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[SPEAKER_11]: As Strong sobbed, asking Josh Y, including with Car from Mercy, helped me please, Car position
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[SPEAKER_11]: her hands clamping around strong snack in a brutal attempt to snap it.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She twisted hard once.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Then twice aiming for what she later described in Confessions as a quick and painless end.
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[SPEAKER_11]: But Strong's body resisted, her muscles tensing and desperate survival instinct, cars hands shook with the effort, her grip slipping on sweat slick skin, failing to deliver the fatal crack.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Frustration mounted, Strong thrashed wildly, her cries muffled but piercing,
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[SPEAKER_11]: Echoing off the trailer's thin walls as Car's hands attempted to snap her neck, jerking it over and over.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In the chaos, she managed to brief surge of strength, knocking the pregnant car to the ground, and shattering a small window in a frantic bid for a
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[SPEAKER_11]: She urinated on herself, the warm liquid soaking through her jeans, as Foldham dragged her back to the chair, his eyes glazed with fury.
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[SPEAKER_11]: He struck her hard on the forehead with a flashlight, the impacts splitting the device and leaving a two-inch bruise.
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[SPEAKER_11]: That oozed blood, her scalp throbbing with each heartbeat, with strong subdued once more, the pair escalated to suffocation, car grabbed a black plastic garbage bag from the trailer's clutter, thin and crinkling material that wrestled ominously in her hands, and stretched it over strong's head.
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[SPEAKER_11]: going it down to envelop her face completely.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The bag clung to her skin like a second suffocating layer, fogging with her frantic breath as she gasped for air, that wouldn't come.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folkham tightened it further, his fingers pressing the edges against her neck, will car-handed him more duct tape to seal the horror in place.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They wrapped it around her
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[SPEAKER_11]: compressing her windpipe and ensuring no sliver of oxygen, it slipped through.
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[SPEAKER_11]: For an added measure, Folgham clamped his hand over her covered nose and mouth, feeling the desperate heaves of her chest beneath the restraints.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Strong's world narrowed to pure agony in those final minutes, estimated by medical examiners at around five excruciating ones.
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[SPEAKER_11]: where she remained fully conscious, her ones burned with a futile pull for air, each inhale drawing the plastic tighter against her lips and nostrils.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The material sucking inward like a vacuum of death, she squirmed and bucked against the tape, her body convulsed in waves of panic that share creaking under the strain as her muffled wimpers turned to gurgles, blood from
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[SPEAKER_11]: her vision boring as oxygen deprivation sent in, her mind racing with a horrifying realization that escape was impossible.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The trailer filled with the stench of fear and exertion, her bladder already emptied, now joined by the metallic scent of blood.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Slowly, her struggles weakened, her body went limp, slumping forward with her head falling to the side.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The bag still plastered tour-a-wifeless face.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Volgan peeled back the tape to check.
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[SPEAKER_11]: No pulse, no breath.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It confirmed that the deed was done.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In the aftermath, they wrapped her head in a blanket, stuffed her cooling body into a suitcase, and buried it in a shallow grave nearby, where it decomposed for weeks until discovery on March 19th.
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[SPEAKER_11]: bloated and wreaking, with duct tape remnants clinging to her clothes, and DNA linking back to the scene.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Cars confession and given repeatedly the detectives, and captured in undercovering recordings, revealed her cold admission.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Amelia Cars trial for the kidnapping and first-degree murder of Heather
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[SPEAKER_11]: Following jury selection with circuit judge Willard Pope presiding, prior to the trial, Carhead refused a plea deal offered by the prosecution that would have resulted in a life sentence without the possibility of parole, opting instead to proceed to trial where the states sought the death penalty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The guilt phase concluded on December 7th, 2010, after approximately two and a half hours of deliberations, with the jury finding her guilty on both counts, based on evidence including her multiple confessions, witness testimonies about her prior threats against strong.
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[SPEAKER_11]: and physical evidence linking her to the crime scene, such as DNA and duct tape remnants.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The penalty phase began shortly thereafter, unfolding after several days.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The prosecution presented victim impact evidence, including testimony from Strong's mother, about the profound effects on Strong's two young children, who were ultimately adopted out following the murder.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They also played recordings of cars' statements to law enforcement.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Highlighting her role in the suffocation and her lack of remorse.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In mitigation, cars defense team focused on her traumatic background, calling family members to testify about her child's sexual abuse by her father and grandfather, starting at the age of five.
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[SPEAKER_11]: which led to her temporary removal from the home by child services.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On February 22, 2011, Judge Pope handed down the death sentence by lethal injection, aligning squarely with the jury's advisory vote.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Following the sentence, Car was transported to the Lowell Correctional Institution inics, joining the sparse ranks of Florida's women on death row, her cellestarken closure, where the weight of her fate settled in the quiet hours,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He read the sentence and then he said make out her mercy on your soul and actually had something written down that I read afterwards about the entire thing But it's more like shock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does it really Thinking because my mom was there and my little sister and my best friend at the time and you know, I'm sitting there thinking Because I'm you know, I had already prepared myself so new.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, everybody was talking about it You know, they'd never had a case like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was convicted before I went to trial
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the media, you know, in the local pavers, the stuff I was already convicted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I had already had my mind set that either way and you know I was going to prison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just my family I was concerned for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he read the sentence and my mom, and my mom just collapsed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew I couldn't cry, I had to be strong, yes, my mom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I turned around and I was like, it's okay, it's not over, we're gonna fight this, it's okay, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you get back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because I'm from the I grew up with a lot of people that worked at the county jail and stuff and you can see them crying and that's what it hit me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of like you're just, you're in the shop.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're just like, that didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it happened, that didn't happen.
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[SPEAKER_11]: In January 2016, the United States Supreme Court issued a landmark ruling in herst versus Florida declaring the state's death penalty wall unconstitutional for permitting judges to impose capital punishment based on jury recommendations that were not unanimous.
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[SPEAKER_11]: A violation of the Sixth Amendment's guarantee of a fair jury trial, this decision
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[SPEAKER_11]: As a fatal fall in the process, the Florida Supreme Court extended the herst ruling retroactively to select cases, sparking a wave of resenting things across the state's death-ropopulation, faced with the prospect of a protracted new penalty-phase trial, laid in with costs and delays, prosecutors opted for a pragmatic resolution, and consented to a wife sentence.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On June 6, 2017, Car appeared once more before the court,
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[SPEAKER_11]: where she was resendants to life and imprisonment without the chance of parole, a shift that lifted her from the isolation of death row, and integrated her into the general prison population.
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[SPEAKER_11]: As of 2022, she continues to serve the sentence within the confines of the Florida Correctional System.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Her days marked by the mononus routine of incarceration.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Joshua Folgham's trial began in early April, 2012, in the familiar confines of the Marion County Courthouse, with circuit judge Brian D. Lambert, presiding over a courtroom, where the stakes remained illegally high.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The prosecution pushed for the death penalty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Casting Folgam as the mastermind, who enticed strong to the trailer with false promises, bound her in a web of tape and terror, and sealed her fate through suffocation.
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[SPEAKER_11]: All amid the poisonous dynamics of a love triangle, driven by jealousy and bitter custody fights.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His defense counsel, countered by advocating for a secondary murder conviction.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Stressing the impulsive heat of the moment over any cold pre-meditation, there arguments unfolding in intense atmosphere, thick with legal maneuvering.
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[SPEAKER_11]: On April 12, 2012, following less than two hours of deliberation, and a sequestered room, the jury returned with convictions on both counts, dismissing the lesser charge in affirming pre-meditation, based on a tapestry of testimonies,
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[SPEAKER_11]: and evidence of folgums opportunistic use of strong credit cards in the aftermath.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The penalty phase ensued the next week, with the state reiterating the aggravating circumstances akin to those in car's trial.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The crimes entanglement with kidnapping, it's heinous and cruel execution, marked by strongs that draw now anguish, and the calculated premeditation, evident prior discussions and lures, the defense presented mitigating
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[SPEAKER_11]: Those specifics from arguments remain sparse in public records.
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[SPEAKER_11]: They emphasized aspects of Folgan's background.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The relational chaos and potential for redemption to tilt the jury towards mercy.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The jury's recommendation came as life imprisonment without parole, voted 8-4.
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[SPEAKER_11]: with eight favoring life and four leaning toward death, a decision that spared him the ultimate penalty.
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[SPEAKER_11]: At the sentencing hearing on April 25, 2012, Judge Lambert delivered the verdict in an open court placing great weight on the jury's advisory input as mandated by Florida law at that era.
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[SPEAKER_11]: He sentenced Folgan to life without parole for murder.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Stacking a consecutive life term for the kidnapping, blocking him away for eternity in the state's prison system.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Folgum's sentence stands unaltered to this day, listener, with no major appeals yielding changes as of 2006.
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[SPEAKER_11]: His existence confined to the grim routine of his incarceration.
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[SPEAKER_11]: This is where the file closes, listener.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Though nothing about it is finished, the evidence has been catalogued.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The testimony weighed, the sentence is fixed in ink that will not fade.
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[SPEAKER_11]: What remains is the residue, the kind that seeps into the walls and never leaves.
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[SPEAKER_11]: There is no revelation left on cover here.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Only the knowledge of what people are capable of, when obsession is mistaken for love, and control mistaken for necessity.
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[SPEAKER_11]: The machinery of justice did what it always does.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It processed bodies, statements, timelines and motives.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It translated fear into legal languages and suffering into numbered exhibits.
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[SPEAKER_11]: and name the axe and assign the punishment that it moved on.
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[SPEAKER_11]: But, listener, justice is not restore breath to the ones or return a woman to her children.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It is not relying the moment when escape was still possible.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It simply records the damage and locks it away.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Heather Strong must not be absorbed into the noise of the case.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was not the sum of what was done to her.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was a mother whose absence reshaped her children's lives, in ways no sentence can address.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was a daughter whose name still echoes in a family.
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[SPEAKER_11]: that will always be missing one voice.
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[SPEAKER_11]: She was a victim of a violence that was slow, deliberate, and indifferent to her terror.
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[SPEAKER_11]: Remembering her means refusing to let her be reduced evidence, or narrative convenience.
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[SPEAKER_11]: It means acknowledging that her wife mattered long before it was extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_11]: This has been obscure.
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[SPEAKER_11]: We document what happened because forgetting is easier and because the dead cannot argue for themselves.
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[SPEAKER_11]: I thank you for listening and keep the fire burning.
